Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
None of this reads to me like the primals would be the embodiment of selfishness. I am, however, curious as to where you found these things that the Twelve were somehow involved with Hydaelyn's summoning. The only signs of the Twelve we have even seen so far are related to the Navigator, I believe. What's more, it could just as easily be that post-sundering primitives saw these symbols and concocted the Twelve on their own. We've no way to know one way or the other.
There's no evidence for the Twelve being Hydaelyn's summoners - it's just conjecture at this point, based on repeated hints that the gods Eorzeans know as the Twelve may not be real, combined with the idea that believed deities such as the primals can often be traced to a 'real' historical figure (eg. Shiva, Garuda, Moggle Mog). It was already hypothesised that the story might therefore be setting up for the reveal that the Twelve were some kind of historical figures lost to time... and now we have a yet-undetailed group of people from the reality behind the "age of creation" that the lorebook says was believed to take place before the cycle of Calamities, umbral and astral eras began.

It could be unrelated, but from the way the game tends to set up its plot points, there's a fair chance they'll turn out to be the truth behind the Twelve. We still shouldn't assume it at this point though.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the only signs of the Twelve we have even seen so far" being related to the Navigator though. What signs are you thinking of?

We have prayer-stones for all the Twelve, and signs that all have been worshipped for a long time... but I can't think what you're meaning is directly related to Llymlaen above all others. The only thing I can remember that's older than even the Fifth Astral Era is the Meracydian temple in Azys Lla that has Azeyma's symbol on it.