So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Misutoraru]

And how is that working out? People are still harassing others and of course some people are still using parsers in silence to better them selves. In addition, the ps4 users cant even use the information at all. This is no "middle ground." This is SE allowing pc players to have an advantage over ps4 players WHILE harassment is still as prevalent as ever because some people are willingly, and illogically gimping their selves out of fear. If SE bans people with poor behaviour or not, that still doesnt change the fact that ps4 players are getting the shaft. Whether ps4 players get a parser or not. You will still play with pc players who parse and thats fact.


Exactly.

And because it is control, you don’t see it happen everywhere in game. It is rare. If it make official it is like lifting a gun ban, with gun control in some countries they still get shooting in rare occasions, lift the ban it happen way more. The only way to eliminate it is completely banning it and I am sure it is not something we want.

even in PC ppl with high end PC is going to have advantage over weaker PC, they load faster have less hardware induced lag and ppl with faster internet will have advantage too. That’s just how it is

[EaMett]

And because it is control, you don’t see it happen everywhere in game. It is rare. If it make official it is like lifting a gun ban, with gun control in some countries they still get shooting in rare occasions, lift the ban it happen way more. The only way to eliminate it is completely banning it and I am sure it is not something we want.

even in PC ppl with high end PC is going to have advantage over weaker PC, they load faster have less hardware induced lag and ppl with faster internet will have advantage too. That’s just how it is

Not to mention that PS4 players can still see the results of their encounters on fflogs or by asking in chat. Having the parser live has little use. It's more of a mental thing than it is a useful one. Not like you can "make up" lost DPS.
It's a different matter for tools like cacbot and whatnot but honestly, it doesn't do anything more than someone on voice giving callouts. There are only a select few instances where it can brain dead a mechanic and 99% of the time it's not that much of a gap from doing it without ACT anyways.

[xJimmehx]

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-Having better internet or pc is something out of SEs control. In game parsers are not.
They CANT ban it. They cannot detect it. If they try to write anti parser code, people will just make a different parser and they will be stuck in an endless loop of anti parse patches. FFXIV anti cheat will basically become malware and as others have said, SE would lose way too much time and resources to fight it.

-Allowing parses will not hurt the community so long as they still ban the players who harass others with them. Even with "guns" its the same thing. Lawful citizens should be able to protect themselves from being killed in their own homes. Removing weapons from lawful citizens doesnt lower gun crime. Because...they're lawful citizens in the first place..? Taking them from criminals is impossible. The only thing you can do in this case is let citizens defend themselves and punish them heavily if they abuse their rights according to law. (in my area shooting a man in the back even in "self defence" is murder because he isnt attacking you if hes not facing you)

-The concept im trying to get across is this. If you do not have the power to stop the parsers from parsing but do have the power to ban people who are jerks to their fellow players, why should you punish the innocent ps4 players instead? Ps4 players arent calling out peoples parses. Hell, they arent even given the chance to prove SE wrong. Its as if SE thinks ps4 players cannot be trusted to play by the rules.

-People are only worried about the way they will be treated and the potential embarrassment. Not the tool itself.

-If you can ban the people who rudely shame others and embarrass them, why would you still settle for being punished for playing as a ps4 user when you can have both proper moderation of the parsing community AND a parser on ps4 which would level the playing field for both consoles and pcs? Why would adding a parsing system to a game increase the amount of harassment cases if they issue bans appropriately? We have parsers on pc and ps4 does not. Their are good and bad people in both communities. Why punish the good people who haven't even done anything when you can punish the bad people for shaming and kicking? Its like saying "Because some pc players are mean, instead of addressing their behavior, we are going to punish ps4 users." It doesn't make sense.

-I get it. People think that if you disallow users access to parsers, then that means less parsers overall so it also means less jerk parsers. But what it also means is no ps4 parsers at all. You wont affect us over on pc. So long as we "dont ask dont tell."

-Why is Ps4 incapable of "Dont ask, Dont tell"? Why trust us pc players but punish ps4 players?

-Imagine if they banned computers everywhere because a handful of idiots looked at minors on porn sites. Imagine if they banned all alcohol because some men get drunk and assault their wives. Imagine if they took all of our medicines from our hospitals because a group of people lie about being sick to abuse drugs or sell them to people who will. It doesnt make sense. Punish people for being bad people. Do not punish good people because of the bad. A tool is just a tool. Its how you use it that matters and quite frankly, as stated before, they cannot stop pc players. Pc is the prince and Ps4 is our whipping boy who gets punished in our stead.

[RoyalBeef]

-People are only worried about the way they will be treated and the potential embarrassment. Not the tool itself.

More like "afraid of no longer getting carried". When I try to join static and they tell me my DPS isn't good enough for a clear, that's an objective, measurable, neutral fact. I can then decide to either try to improve or to accept that I won't be doing savage. The only person that is afraid of that scenario is the person that was still hoping of doing savage while knowing they are not good enough.
Just bc 99% of the game is a prticipation medal doesn't mean the final 1% which is endgame is as well. The game just does a bad job at communicating it, so people still feel entitled to keep getting rewarded for subpar play.

[technole]

More like "afraid of no longer getting carried". When I try to join static and they tell me my DPS isn't good enough for a clear, that's an objective, measurable, neutral fact. I can then decide to either try to improve or to accept that I won't be doing savage. The only person that is afraid of that scenario is the person that was still hoping of doing savage while knowing they are not good enough.
Just bc 99% of the game is a prticipation medal doesn't mean the final 1% which is endgame is as well. The game just does a bad job at communicating it, so people still feel entitled to keep getting rewarded for subpar play.

Yep, and there is SSS trials in-game to imply you should be doing this X amount of damage in this X amount of time. That's technically a parse, the game just tells you if you passed or failed. Most people just brush it off because there is no reward for killing the dummy.

A lot of good players love to see themselves and their group improve, as the end result is rather satisfying, being able to clear content that matters. Instead of spending 20-50 hours in a party finder with people who are barely passing grade.

[Xuled]

More like "afraid of no longer getting carried". When I try to join static and they tell me my DPS isn't good enough for a clear, that's an objective, measurable, neutral fact. I can then decide to either try to improve or to accept that I won't be doing savage. The only person that is afraid of that scenario is the person that was still hoping of doing savage while knowing they are not good enough.
Just bc 99% of the game is a prticipation medal doesn't mean the final 1% which is endgame is as well. The game just does a bad job at communicating it, so people still feel entitled to keep getting rewarded for subpar play.

Wow. This exactly but I fully expect you to get railed by the majority of posters here for revealing the truth.

[Saintly]

More like "afraid of no longer getting carried". When I try to join static and they tell me my DPS isn't good enough for a clear, that's an objective, measurable, neutral fact. I can then decide to either try to improve or to accept that I won't be doing savage. The only person that is afraid of that scenario is the person that was still hoping of doing savage while knowing they are not good enough.
Just bc 99% of the game is a participation medal doesn't mean the final 1% which is endgame is as well. The game just does a bad job at communicating it, so people still feel entitled to keep getting rewarded for subpar play.

The most underrated reply in the whole topic, Royal nailed it.

Whe worst part is that people do not only expect to get carried at Sav, they do exactly the same at Ex.
And since we are not allowed to post proof of such players cause their fragile feelings will get hurt, ill turn my attention to SE and ask:

Why don't you "lock" the Ex/Sav content behind a tutorial at the very least?
Something like an obstacle course with 1HKO mechs that players can attend up to X times per week.

Will it fix everything? Of course not.
Would it filter out people who wouldn't pass Titan or even Lev without getting carried? Possibly.