So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Komarimono]

I'm sorry when was this established? Or when did the op get proven as a liar? I've seen plenty of people claiming he must be because THEY don't do this so it must never happen, and that ACT is God's gift to raiders so he must be crazy.

I still honestly believe most of what the op posted however as I've seen this behavior aimed at sprouts and players in learming dungeons as well. If it did not happen to him, it's happening to other players and his points still stand.

Because he admitted it for one, for two you honestly don't see much parser mentions in low levels dungeons if ever, since not needed ever. You can AFK through them most times.

And you're free to your beliefs as is anyone, doesn't make you right though I'm afraid and people are allowed differing opinions.

This debate is as old as parsers ever existing though, from Age of Camelot to WoW to Rift etc etc. But one fact that came out of all the debates, is people are scared of being ousted when they perform poorly in a tightly tuned environment, and are heavily against said tools due to this reason.

That fear is what leads to the hate, they would rather blame tools then come to the realization that not everyone is equal. And everyone doesn't have to be equal, you simply just have to group with like minded persons and your play experience is just fine.

[Imbrium]

Because he admitted it for one, for two you honestly don't see much parser mentions in low levels dungeons if ever, since not needed ever. You can AFK through them most times.

And you're free to your beliefs as is anyone, doesn't make you right though I'm afraid and people are allowed differing opinions.

This debate is as old as parsers ever existing though, from Age of Camelot to WoW to Rift etc etc. But one fact that came out of all the debates, is people are scared of being ousted when they perform poorly in a tightly tuned environment, and are heavily against said tools due to this reason.

That fear is what leads to the hate, they would rather blame tools then come to the realization that not everyone is equal. And everyone doesn't have to be equal, you simply just have to group with like minded persons and your play experience is just fine.

...where? Can you link me this post I must of missed? I don't like missing information.

Yes, you're free your opinions. Some opinions are more hostile than others and come out as hostile in text form. In which case the saying if you have nothing nice to say... don't say anything at all still applies, at least in game. It's not hard to weigh silence, being a decent contributor, and being rude.

And that's not me saying don't call people out. SE is fine with constructive criticism, not verbal abuse. The latter happens too often with people defending it.

How on earth does asking to leave parse shaming out of low level learning content lead to banning all parsing? This is the major issue I'm having with a lot of the posts, especially if we agree you don't need it there anymore once you're max level. The op asked about low level learning content, not a tight dps checked savage fight. Yet most posts zoomed to endgame anyway. It's like weighing a grain of sand versus a boulder (the landslides...).

I feel like the majority of the posters are the ones who are either angry or afraid, because as I said, the op did not worship at the holy shrine of ACT. You read ban and parse in the same title and the post itself is meaningless. No one is going to take our parsers, no one is going to shut down fflogs.

[Komarimono]

...where? Can you link me this post I must of missed? I don't like missing information.

Yes, you're free your opinions. Some opinions are more hostile than others and come out as hostile in text form. In which case the saying if you have nothing nice to say... don't say anything at all still applies, at least in game. It's not hard to weigh silence, being a decent contributor, and being rude.

And that's not me saying don't call people out. SE is fine with constructive criticism, not verbal abuse. The latter happens too often with people defending it.

How on earth does asking to leave parse shaming out of low level learning content lead to banning all parsing? This is the major issue I'm having with a lot of the posts, especially if we agree you don't need it there anymore once you're max level. The op asked about low level learning content, not a tight dps checked savage fight. Yet most posts zoomed to endgame anyway. It's like weighing a grain of sand versus a boulder (the landslides...).

I feel like the majority of the posters are the ones who are either angry or afraid, because as I said, the op did not worship at the holy shrine of ACT. You read ban and parse in the same title and the post itself is meaningless. No one is going to take our parsers, no one is going to shut down fflogs.

You're more then free to search his post history unless he deleted it. Myself and others called him out on it, especially since I may have very well been the person who dismissed them from group since the healer(which is not DPS related) Kept dying over and over to simple mechanics that other sprouts were doing fine with. But I simply said they were not ready for this dungeon yet if they can't avoid simple damage before removing them.

He himself wanted to ban all parsing though, and kept trying to defend his stance over and over, blaming the tool on a rather aggressive mode I may add. Most of the posts went to end game, since that's where you see the parsing being done. Sure some are lazy and keep it running for roulette's and the like, but 99% don't care about someones DPS is what we all were saying.

He was implying it was a constant thing in low level dungeons and leveling groups, which in my hundreds of runs I've not seen a single mention of it, even when doing trial roulette's. Most complaints is people not doing mechanics or leeching by not doing anything, which you don't need a parser to know anyway.

[Imbrium]

You're more then free to search his post history unless he deleted it. Myself and others called him out on it, especially since I may have very well been the person who dismissed them from group since the healer(which is not DPS related) Kept dying over and over to simple mechanics that other sprouts were doing fine with. But I simply said they were not ready for this dungeon yet if they can't avoid simple damage before removing them.

He himself wanted to ban all parsing though, and kept trying to defend his stance over and over, blaming the tool on a rather aggressive mode I may add. Most of the posts went to end game, since that's where you see the parsing being done. Sure some are lazy and keep it running for roulette's and the like, but 99% don't care about someones DPS is what we all were saying.

He was implying it was a constant thing in low level dungeons and leveling groups, which in my hundreds of runs I've not seen a single mention of it, even when doing trial roulette's. Most complaints is people not doing mechanics or leeching by not doing anything, which you don't need a parser to know anyway.

Ya know, it just dawned on me... I had kicked a healer a few days ago from group, since called them out for walking in circles and dying all the time. Just noticed OP is in the same data center as me, wonder if my kicking them led to this thread lol.

You mean this? You saying you're both in the same datacenter and you booted a healer a few days ago LOL?

Let me wait for someone else on your datacenter to post about being a dps that clapped as you did it now. I don't see anything else calling him out with proof in here.

As for the op getting progressively more done with the replies in this thread:

The op originally asked for them to be left out of low level dungeons. This thread has become what it has because people with parsers needed something to be offended at. The replies stopped being about low content on what, page 2? I'd have been fed up with a lot of the replies in here before page 15 and started sniping back if I was him as well.

Do I think it's ok that the op is snappishly aggressive further in? No, but I've seen 0 posts addressing players talking about snowflakes, calling him a nice guy type, or the other callous remarks. Odd, if aggression is such a huge deal. Courtesy goes two ways, I don't understand why you would expect it to be shown at this point when so little was recieved?

It might not be every party in low level dungeons, but it most certainly happens in them. I keep seeing the 'I didnt see it, it can't be true of my beloved ACT!' defense. I truly hope it's less than 1/100 runs. Even 1/5000 would be too often, because it should not happen at all. That said, I don't think we should remove it, just accept that trolls and rude players are going to be just that, and they should be reported when it happens.