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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxidized View Post
    Then why are you complaining so much about things being overpriced?
    I'm not complaining. I merely stated the fact that crafters tend to charge rather outlandish prices if they can get away with it. You interpreted it as a complaint because you wanted to see it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxidized View Post
    You fail to recognize that many people who craft and gather do it because we enjoy it, gain a personal sense of satisfaction from doing so, and want this aspect of the game to be fair and meaningful. Gil is not something we really need, but many of us use it as a personal scorecard, how does one have fun knowing in the back of our minds that we will always lose to someone who is overtly cheating?
    If it isn't the bots, it'll be the unemployed 24/7 gamers that "ruin your aspect of gaming".
    There will always be someone that has more time on their hands and do stuff you can't.

    How does one have fun? Simple: by ignoring the cheaters when it comes to assessing your score. Just as you'd have to ignore the above mentioned unemployed people when you yourself have a worklife and only limited time to play.

    An analogy in raiding: how do I enjoy parsing myself when I see other WHMs doing ridiculous amounts of DPS in specific parsing runs where they get fed all the neat buffs and have awesome groups that seemingly never fail a mechanic, necessitating additional healing? By ignoring them.

    I know it sucks that there are bots. You and I know that raging on the EN forum isn't going to do a thing about it though. Either SE cares, or SE doesn't care and it is apparent that they only half ass their measures, which leads me to conclude that they don't really give a hoot. Same about the spamming RMT bots. I mean come on, how hard can it be to implement chat filters and automatic ban systems to get rid of these pests? Yet here we are 5 years into the game and I have to read their shite in the tiny amount of time it takes me to port to Ul'dah, click on "Aethernet" and choosing a different destination.

    So all we can do is ignore them, hope SE does tend to the matter and in the mean time, use them to our advantage (i.e.: buying mats on the cheap instead of going out and gathering them ourselves).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    2) Botting isn't actually cheating. Bot gathering doesn't allow you to do anything that player couldn't normally do
    I'm pretty sure that even "24/7" unemployed gamers need to sleep sometime.
    So yes: a bot does allow you to do stuff humans can't and subsequently are very much indeed cheating.

    Even more so if the bot starts handling the Auction house. We had those in WoW... ugh what a pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post


    I'm pretty sure that even "24/7" unemployed gamers need to sleep sometime.
    So yes: a bot does allow you to do stuff humans can't and subsequently are very much indeed cheating.
    Still not cheating because you can replicate the same thing by playing the character in shifts (which is actually EXTREMELY common for World Firsters).

    Cheating is the act of breaking the game to allow you to do something that is not possible by any other means, such as teleporting instantly between gather points.

    For the record, I do not support or encourage botting. But it's really not nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be. And while it's against the rules SE has laid out, it's still not "cheating" unless you use a cheat program such as a teleport hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Still not cheating because you can replicate the same thing by playing the character in shifts
    Account sharing IS cheating and a a bannable offense, since it is vialation of the ToS.
    The Achievements of an account are supposed to be tied to a single person.

    In fact many a folks cheated arena rankings and ranks in the old PvP system in WoW by letting other players do what they could not.
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  4. 08-18-2019 09:08 PM
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