I DON'T like Stormblood RDM

[Gaethan_Tessula]

To illustrate just how ridiculous that would be in practice, any job that increases the raid's total DPS by 10% would, at the suggested numbers to follow, have to have a PDPS of around 3,000.

I played an MMO once, as a support character, and just applying 4 stacks of the basic "always on unless something uses the opposed debuff or dispels" offensive buffs had me increasing raid DPS by ~30%. I had an entire other hotbar of other, shorter term, buffs. So, wow, this really puts THAT in perspective.

Rest of the numbers

Overall a good concept, though it depends on lot on tweaking things like attribute bonus and the exact nature of the cannon buff bonus. An issue that I think is pertinent, but you may not. In completely equalizing out of the box DPS, DPS ceases to be a balancing mechanism for any aspect of a job (or role skills) not covered by damage. This includes things like non-damage support skills, and if the DPS maximum is assessed in a whiteroom it may also not account for difficulty in keeping uptime for specific fights or aspects of a job that prevent that from happening.

As FF14 is currently balanced, non-damage related aspects on DPS tend to be trivial (even if the development team seems to think otherwise, see the impetus for this thread), but this hasn't always been the case in past expansions. I think removing all such skills, or refusing to make new ones, would be to FF14's detriment, but such abilities could further diminish the allure of the DPS advantage Cannon's bring under this model (though ~3% more DPS can be make or break ). Unless, somewhat counter to concept, Cannon's are also granted such abilities. Ex. BLM is returned Apocatastasis or something.

[Brandedblade]

I'm leveling rdm right now, and honestly? Its gameplay loop feels nice, and I'll gladly take the current aoe over Scatter spam anyday. For me the only thing amiss is the potency being too low, I'd be happy as a kite if they just closed the gap between blm and rdm.

[Kabooa]

As FF14 is currently balanced, non-damage related aspects on DPS tend to be trivial (even if the development team seems to think otherwise, see the impetus for this thread), but this hasn't always been the case in past expansions. I think removing all such skills, or refusing to make new ones, would be to FF14's detriment, but such abilities could further diminish the allure of the DPS advantage Cannon's bring under this model (though ~3% more DPS can be make or break ).

One of the primary advantages of another role (and the levers it brings) is that we can take another look at non-damage utility. It's hard to justify Monk's damage and mantra when paired against Samurai, or Black Mage and nothing paired against other mages, but the addition of their own role to properly reflect their "selfish" nature means we can more readily define the jobs of both roles and improve their unique non-offensive capabilities.

For example, where a Monk increases party healing, a Dragoon might increase party movement speed, and a Ninja could decoy jutsu someone to reduce the damage they take.

The Samurai, being the selfish jerk he is, could have a notably improved Third Eye / Merciful Eyes - reducing the burden of single healing on them.

You don't always need the party healing, the party movement, or the mitigation (The ole "Any mitigation that doesn't save a GCD isn't good mitigation"), and you won't always need Samurai's self sufficiency, but each of them would have a place depending on the mechanics of the encounter and needs of the group.

[CrashofZenki]

One of the primary advantages of another role (and the levers it brings) is that we can take another look at non-damage utility. It's hard to justify Monk's damage and mantra when paired against Samurai, or Black Mage and nothing paired against other mages, but the addition of their own role to properly reflect their "selfish" nature means we can more readily define the jobs of both roles and improve their unique non-offensive capabilities.

For example, where a Monk increases party healing, a Dragoon might increase party movement speed, and a Ninja could decoy jutsu someone to reduce the damage they take.

The Samurai, being the selfish jerk he is, could have a notably improved Third Eye / Merciful Eyes - reducing the burden of single healing on them.

You don't always need the party healing, the party movement, or the mitigation (The ole "Any mitigation that doesn't save a GCD isn't good mitigation"), and you won't always need Samurai's self sufficiency, but each of them would have a place depending on the mechanics of the encounter and needs of the group.

Or, fix the whole debate once and for all and find grounds from earlier FF games and come up with... SAM having party utility. They have had some in the past, like they were the original "Goad" class. As well as BLM had Elemental debuffs to increase elemental magic done. So it is possible LORE WISE to make them all utility based.

And if you played in ARR You should remember that DRG used to be the selfish DPS. But now has gotten party utility.

Oh and if you denie the fact then I will raise you one and say that NIN did not have a Damage up Debuff, it had however Poison, Blind, Slow, Paralyze and silence in the form of ninjutsu. And the class that had Trick Attack and Sneak Attack in the first place aka.. Thief was for self only, and for only ONE action after the cast.