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    One thing that people need to keep in mind is that some of the skills they want are already in the game just with different names, and some skills "original" designs don't translate well into XIV's gameplay. For example, Lancet, a common DRG skill, is in the games as Life Surge, and Libra, a common skill but usually associated with SCH, is Chain Stratagem.

    That being said, PLEASE!!! give us Meltdown on SCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hereon View Post
    Id say an ability for Scholar that marks the target, which will make the faery prioritize said target above others.
    Isn't that kinda the point of Fey Union/Aetherpact?

    Quote Originally Posted by miraidensetsu View Post
    Can we dream about Tornado? Y'shtola used it (she left WHM, but WHM didn't left her).
    I'm kinda hoping we get a caster DPS (Geomancer, perhaps?) that uses Quake/Tornado/Flood. Maybe even have an enemy-vacuum effect on Tornado to pull them into other AoEs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    and Libra, a common skill but usually associated with SCH, is Chain Stratagem.
    I'm not 100% about that.

    I'm aware that Libra is about locating the target's weaknesses and resistances for the purposes of exploitation, which (in an iteration where actual elemental resistances mean nothing) would most likely just output as some kind of direct vulnerability effect, and if they simply renamed Chain Stratagem "Libra" I wouldn't even bat an eye at the attempt to translate it.
    On the other hand, you do have to stretch a bit to say they're the same skill under different names, since their effects are fundamentally different.

    That being said, PLEASE!!! give us Meltdown on SCH.
    I'm curious where this devotion to gaining Meltdown comes from, given that it was never really a Scholar ability to begin with (unless you count Kaustra from FF11, but even then, different name with a completely different element and effect, not even innately an AoE, so I'd be willing to call them different spells).

    I'll grant that it's more iconic than "Art of War" but I still find it curious.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 08-18-2019 at 08:26 AM.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    I'm aware that Libra is about locating the target's weaknesses and resistances for the purposes of exploitation, which (in an iteration where actual elemental resistances mean nothing) would most likely just output as some kind of direct vulnerability effect, and if they simply renamed Chain Stratagem "Libra" I wouldn't even bat an eye at the attempt to translate it.
    On the other hand, you do have to stretch a bit to say they're the same skill under different names, since their effects are fundamentally different.

    I'm curious where this devotion to gaining Meltdown comes from, given that it was never really a Scholar ability to begin with (unless you count Kaustra from FF11, but even then, different name with a completely different element and effect, not even innately an AoE, so I'd be willing to call them different spells)
    As for Libra, it's more about the desired outcome of the skill, combined with fan request. Libra is a skill used to find an enemy's weakness, and was also translated as Scan in the past, or Peep or Intel. But, a skill like that doesn't work in XIV. But the main reason to find a weakness is to do more damage, so it would make sense for a version of Libra in XIV to just increase the damage an enemy taken. SE could do this in a variety of ways, and they choose to increase crit rate, I guess so SCH wasn't OP, I mean just look at Trick Attack. Additionally, the animation for Chain Stratagem is very similar to how Libra's is usually depicted. The best reasonI could say as to why it's not named Libra is probably because the method of obtaining the desired outcome isnt traditional.

    As for Meltdown, the skill was called Meltdown in Japanese. Where the heck Kaustra came from, I have no idea. As for why it's so popular, it's just one of those things that gets latched on and become almost synonymous with a specific job. Sorta like how Holy is with WHM, Meteor with BLM, and how RDM's new signature weapon is a rapier and they now have a slight rose motif. So now when people think of an attack for SCH, they think Meltdown.
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    BLM: more dark spells is awesome. We have foul and Xenoglossy. Give BLM the spell called apocalypse. Deals damage to the with a potency of 700 (2.0s cast time) and can only be cast when you have 0mp and in AF phase. Can only be used while you have enochian. I also want a third polyglot crystal. How about giving BLM a phase where we capsize on our dark spells or at least our most powerful spells in general. For example, maintaining enochian for 30 secs and after having casted Xenoglossy, apocalypse, or foul twice, access to the spell called unholy darkness...deals 850 potency damage to the target with a 2.0s cast time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    As for Meltdown, the skill was called Meltdown in Japanese. Where the heck Kaustra came from, I have no idea. As for why it's so popular, it's just one of those things that gets latched on and become almost synonymous with a specific job. Sorta like how Holy is with WHM, Meteor with BLM, and how RDM's new signature weapon is a rapier and they now have a slight rose motif. So now when people think of an attack for SCH, they think Meltdown.
    I think another reason people want Meltdown on SCH is because their Broil spells are heat based, but not necessarily fire-spells. Meltdown is similar in idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    I think another reason people want Meltdown on SCH is because their Broil spells are heat based, but not necessarily fire-spells. Meltdown is similar in idea.
    This is true, and a does also indicate "being vocal" just like Broil.
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    Probably gonna get internet crucified for this joke but....
    I already see plenty of Scholars having meltdowns

    I’ll show myself out
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    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    I think another reason people want Meltdown on SCH is because their Broil spells are heat based, but not necessarily fire-spells. Meltdown is similar in idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    This is true, and a does also indicate "being vocal" just like Broil.
    Well, when you put it that way, it actually kinda makes sense. Plus SCH appears to use dark-based attacks anyway.

    Hmm... What if SCH's AoE had a chance(!) to inflict Damage Down on enemies? It would work both with the skill being instant and call back to their Eye For An Eye skill. With only a chance at effectiveness it still wouldn't be of use in a boss encounter, but could be very useful to toss in a crowd, practically guaranteeing some damage negation like Holy's Stun (and with luck, Gravity's slow).

    Plus with a name like "Meltdown" it's both a pun and a hint that the SCH is targeting the enemy's weapons.

    Food for thought. Blind still works, with the chance to make them miss completely.
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    In no particular order: Bane, Divine Seal, Cleric Stance (for WHM), Aero III, Eye for an Eye, Protect, Stone Skin, Time Dilation, Rouse, Miasma, Miasma II, Shadow Flare, Silent Dusk, Quickened Aetherflow, Aetherflow usable out of combat, and a Card system that offers some real choice and benefits for the AST.

    Edit: And no, this is not a joke, I would be genuinely happy if SCH and AST went back to their 4.X versions, and WHM to its 3.X version.
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    Last edited by Acidblood; 08-20-2019 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidblood View Post
    In no particular order: Bane, Divine Seal, Cleric Stance (for WHM), Aero III, Eye for an Eye, Protect, Stone Skin, Time Dilation, Rouse, Miasma, Miasma II, Shadow Flare, Silent Dusk, Quickened Aetherflow, Aetherflow usable out of combat, and a Card system that offers some real choice and benefits for the AST.
    Dont forget Fey wind. heh.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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