Can any team comp clear?

[Zerathor]

Show me a 1 week E4S clear with NIN > RDM > DNC > and the last job not being MNK DRG BLM or SAM.

Job strength aside, the raw statistical chance of that group forming is rather slim. That's a 2/105 chance if the party just randomly formed, out of all the 210 possible combinations of 4 unique dps in a party. 1.9%.

[CrashofZenki]

Job strength aside, the raw statistical chance of that group forming is rather slim. That's a 2/105 chance if the party just randomly formed, out of all the 210 possible combinations of 4 unique dps in a party. 1.9%.

So why do people battle so much against utility classes getting buffed to compete with the DPS of classes that doesnt?

[Zerathor]

So why do people battle so much against utility classes getting buffed to compete with the DPS of classes that doesnt?

Quality goal post moving there.

And because we already saw Utility Jobs: The Expansion™ and its sequel Utility Jobs 2: This Time Without Double Range Physical™.

[CrashofZenki]

Quality goal post moving there.

And with this, I proved my point. It has nothing to do with being left out of PFs or Statics. Its the fact that people wants the class they are on to do the most damage because they expect a personal DPS class to always go up on the top, without having to worry about a utility jobs potential to exceed them in rare cases if they are awesome. BOOM!

[Zerathor]

And with this, I proved my point. It has nothing to do with being left out of PFs or Statics. Its the fact that people wants the class they are on to do the most damage because they expect a personal DPS class to always go up on the top. BOOM!

I provided statistical information on why your argument is... childish, and you completely dodge it. I'm not sure how this proves anything for you actually. You wanted a party that is only 4 out of 210 possible groups. Only one of said groups would even utilize the fact you have a dancer properly to its intended function. Sorry ninja isn't the REQUIRED JOB anymore lol. Honestly out of all the jobs you're whining about, only ninja needs a mild buff. Emphasis on mild.

[CrashofZenki]

I provided statistical information on why your argument is... childish, and you completely dodge it. I'm not sure how this proves anything for you actually. You wanted a party that is only 4 out of 210 possible groups. Only one of said groups would even utilize the fact you have a dancer properly to its intended function. Sorry ninja isn't the REQUIRED JOB anymore lol. Honestly out of all the jobs you're whining about, only ninja needs a mild buff. Emphasis on mild.

When a person finds out there is no holding point for them to win an argument, they instead go over to the phase called personal attack, and will start to call the other person names. Sound familiar?

[Zerathor]

When a person finds out there is no holding point for them to win an argument, they instead go over to the phase called personal attack, and will start to call the other person names. Sound familiar?

I insulted your argument, which is not a personal attack. Actually I messed up, i forgot you actually also excluded sam lol. 1/70 chance of that party being made by pure luck. 1.4% chance.

Your argument is because a party formation that only has a 1.4% of forming (that completely misuses the dancer's purpose) hasn't cleared titan, that it must be impossible to do so.

It was you who dodged this fact when pointed out to you, and it was you who is grasping for any hope of not being in the wrong here by accusing people lol.

[Kejara]

Job strength aside, the raw statistical chance of that group forming is rather slim. That's a 2/105 chance if the party just randomly formed, out of all the 210 possible combinations of 4 unique dps in a party. 1.9%.

I think that is correct for a particular combination. However, I believe your math requires that jobs are allowed to repeat which means it allows for groups like NIN/NIN/NIN/NIN or DNC/DNC/DNC/DNC to form which just isn't realistic. A lot of PFs enforce no dupes for difficult content (Savage, EX, etc). So for calculating permutations you might want to say that a job cannot repeat once selected. If we do that I think the number of permutations becomes 35 and thus the odds become 1/35 for any particular, no repeat, randomly formed combination.

7! / 4!(7 – 4)! = 35.

[Zerathor]

I think that is correct for a particular combination. However, I believe your math requires that jobs are allowed to repeat which means it allows for groups like NIN/NIN/NIN/NIN or DNC/DNC/DNC/DNC to form which just isn't realistic. A lot of PFs enforce no dupes for difficult content (Savage, EX, etc). So for calculating permutations you might want to say that a job cannot repeat once selected. If we do that I think the number of permutations becomes 35 and thus the odds become 1/35 for any particular, randomly formed combination.

10 dps jobs, 4 total dps

10!/[4!(10-4)!]

This accounts for duplicates. 210 dps combinations of unique dps jobs

a small percentage for a Personal DPS job to not get a party if it happens.

not an argument.

[Kejara]

10 dps jobs, 4 total dps

10!/[4!(10-4)!]

This accounts for duplicates.

You're right. I counted in my head and somehow came up with 7.... I wonder whom I left out. Sorry.