Can any team comp clear?

[SaberMaxwell]

Show me a 1 week E4S clear with NIN > RDM > DNC > and the last job not being MNK DRG BLM or SAM.

That would be tough since most statics run double melee as a default, and your criteria locks out all but one melee.

[CrashofZenki]

It was asked if any comp could clear. I dont see a 2 melee criteria here?
The answer is it would fail. Enrage and bye.

[Kabooa]

It was asked if any comp could clear. I dont see a 2 melee criteria here?
The answer is it would fail. Enrage and bye.

It wasn't asked to be week 1 so...

Bye.

[Uliq]

It wasn't asked to be week 1 so...

Bye.

Considering it's only week 3? it would still fail currently. Your 3 low dps would have to be close to max BiS to make the check.

wait no...

If they only geared those 3 and everyone else just tombed yeah they could I guess.

[Kejara]

The early weeks, especially week one, are the most important. I don't know if it was implied or not but I'm sure anybody talking about this issue knows its only the first few weeks that matter. Otherwise the question is moot because the answer to the question is yes, eventually. Why should only certain compositions be able to defeat savage content at ~i450. I've not looked personally but I think it was mathematically impossible, assuming flawless rotations and best possible gearing, for certain DPS compositions to defeat Titan on week one. In the weeks after week one, the answer becomes it depends. Did the less than ideal composition manage to clear E2S and perhaps E3S, and if so did they prioritize DPS for weapon upgrades? Eventually, the entire DPS argument becomes moot because everybody has enough gear to beat all the enrage mechanics and the ideal compositions used in early weeks are now reserved for speed kill competitions. Most speed kills consist of MNK/BLM/DRG/BRD and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. The same composition was mathematically more likely, assuming equal player skill, to defeat Eden savage on week one, than a less than ideal composition.

Also, be nice fellas. Lots of sarcasm and facetiousness going around. ;p

[Tenryou]

I actually did a titania clear with Nin dnc dnc Sam before eden normal gear and crafted and it was really clutch every time we cleared. i imagine it would be like that with nin dnc rdm smn.

[Kejara]

This back and forth isn't really beneficial to any of us. The topic was can any combination clear? The answer to the OP's question was difficult to provide because the question was vague and needed additional qualifiers. In an ever progressing game, time is important attribute to include in your question. The question should have been, can any unique combination of DPS clear Eden savage content in week one when it is competitive. The mathematics would suggest that based on the later enrage DPS checks, that no, not all unique combinations could clear on week one. The next question would be whether we (the community) think this was okay or not. This could be debated until the cows come home because its a matter of opinion. We all have a vested interest in our preferred jobs. Clearly, Zerathor is in support of BLM's present position and I don't blame him. BLM is the best it has ever been and I'm not talking about just DPS. The job just feels better all around. Anybody who prefers to play that job wants to protect it. My current preference is RDM and I'd like to see it gain some minor DPS buffs. I would like its rDPS to be less than 10% but greater than 7% percent disparity from the present BLM. Presently, across all of Eden savage and all percentiles there is approximately 13-15% difference in rDPS between a BLM and RDM. I just want it closed a little bit so I don't feel the temptation to jump jobs to BLM, a job I like but don't prefer, so that I'm not holding my team back. I personally, don't want to see any of the high performing jobs, BLM included, nerfed or changed. People are happy with them and there's no reason to take that from them. The question is, will they (the top three) still be happy if the disparity is lessened a bit for the presently under performing jobs (in my opinion)?

[Drayos]

it's easy to cherry pick quotes without context, if you read his comment prior, you can see that he feels it's justified for BLM to do the most damage as it has the least amount of utility to contribute to a raid in progression. RDM on the other hand was designed to contribute to a raid's progression. So it's only FAIR that RDM should see more representation in progresion because THATS THE POINT OF IT. in alphascape, this was true and RDM had more clears than both SMN and BLM but both of them filled a strong healthy coexistence in speed kills and optimized play where rdm had no place. This isn't Bias, this is fair distribution of value in a role.

Prog mage needs to die as a meme in all honesty.

All three casters should have a place in both prog and farm. The gap needs to be made smaller.

They have gone to great lengths to give BLM more tools to help its existence in prog, looking at logs and more BLM were played more then RDM even in its first release of savage.

We need to return to the 1000 damage difference that Sb held us at, which embolden can then make up mostly for. This would balance us out without standing on their toes.

[Skiter]

At week 1, with NIN, RDM and DNC was impossible with minimum ilvl, these 3 jobs do not reach 11k minimum dps in a fight with downtimes.
E4S has a 75k dps check, and a 20s downtime, and NIN is the one that suffers the most downtime due to its higher APM in the game.

[Kabooa]

At week 1, with NIN, RDM and DNC was impossible with minimum ilvl, these 3 jobs do not reach 11k minimum dps in a fight with downtimes.
E4S has a 75k dps check, and a 20s downtime, and NIN is the one that suffers the most downtime due to its higher APM in the game.

Admittedly a huge outlier, but it's there.