Quote Originally Posted by Coglin View Post
So what your saying is you made more assumption, more conjecture. and more guesses. Nice.

Whats nicer is you claim ifrit weapons are widely accepted as the best weapons. Thats humorous when I read the 87 threads talking about how alot of single meld items are comparable, and double meld (which are easy and cheap for various items) are surpassing them.

Do you know what aspect of damage for each class thatbase value even effects? Every sentance for your point of the debate thus far starts with, I asume, I believe, I think, then you invite me to show you information. If you actually knew any of this yourself, you would not need anyone to show you. nor would you make all this "i believe, I heard, I think, and theoretically" sentances here after 6 pages of you claiming how its fact that everyone is wrong.

As far as what you mention you know about lancer weapons, I have no doubt. Part of what I think you are mising, its that everyone is not saying so much that weapons are better then ifrit ones all the time. The fact that they are so very comparable is the issue. Comparable enough, that they are often considered not worth the effort to seek out.
lol what are you even reading Coglin? No, seriously... what? I spoke of 2 widely accepted truths: that the Ifrit's Bow is the best in terms of damage dealing for an Archer, and that the base damage value of a weapon is by far the most potent stat when it comes to effecting how much damage you will do. Where did I say that Ifrit Weapons are the best weapons as a whole. The mage ones are a great example of weapons that are far from effective in slot.

The argument in this thread has been about how for CNJ, THM and GLA the weapons dropped are not effective or desirable. It has also been about how one can make better crafted gear with the use of materia than a majority of the U/U gear in this game - not particularly speaking of the Ifrit weapons here. Those would be the minority that do surpass crafted gear.

Next is my favorite part. Every sentence for my point of the debate thus far starts with I assume, I believe and I think. Holy cow Coglin. Did you actually read and process my post? Check again. Not a single use of think or believe and the only instance where I used assume was when I was referring to my assuming that you actually did effective parsing. You'd be surprised how many geniuses try to crunch numbers but fail at doing so, obtaining erroneous results.

Furthermore, what I wrote about the LNC weapons in the end was me telling you they don't even compare to the Harpoon. Stack more and more materia and you can see your damage increase, but the damage the Harpoon does is just too great. Again, high base damage.

Really Coglin. Search around on the forums a bit. Check some test results. Lots of people have tested, including myself. I am telling you the Damage value of a weapon directly effects the numbers you put out with each hit. That it effects this much more than anything else. The Ifrit Weapons happen to have the highest Damage values of all weapons, effective;y making them the highest damage dealing weapons. Except for mages, since their DPS isn't centered around whacking a mob.

We can go about this all day Coggy. Fact of the matter is your reluctance to post parse results that you claim to have done that show a Savage Might materia enhanced yew bow comparing to an Ifrit's Bow tells me more than whatever you want to type. Heck, you can even doctor the parse by using whatever bow you want melded with whatever else. I wouldn't even be able to tell. However, until I see something to support this wild, unrelated and specific claim of yours I can't be bothered to move a single finger to test something my experience, understanding and repeated parsing tells me to be utter BS.

Also, just so you're warned, this will be my last serious response in this line of debate until I see some proof.