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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    Except it kinda is...it's not parry levels of bad but it's still far from optimal unless you're pushing world first progression and have it stacked through the roof. It will always fall behind any other secondary.

    Crit > Comfy SkS > Det > Ten (WAR)
    Direct Hit > Determination > Critical Hit > Tenacity (PLD)
    Comfy SkS > DH > Det > Crit > Ten (GNB/DRK)
    GNB doesn't want SkS it messes with your rotation and timers for syncing up No Mercy and Sonic Break. DRK sure for 5 BS under Delirium but DH is best for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzel120 View Post
    GNB doesn't want SkS it messes with your rotation and timers for syncing up No Mercy and Sonic Break. DRK sure for 5 BS under Delirium but DH is best for both.
    Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

    I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

    I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.
    But you don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

    I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.
    But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.
    Keep in mind that being able to fit nine GCDs inside the No Mercy window is only part of the equation. You will run into problems if your timers start to drift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.
    I often struggle to get 9 GCD's in my NM with 2.42 GCD cooldown, even when i use NM in the last third of the GCD timer. Just because its possible doesn't make it effective - if you cant do it EVERY TIME then melding SkS would of benefited you more than melding anything else. If your assumption was held in a vacuum where everyone played perfectly all the time on every single fight then you'd be right, but nobody is perfect, and nobody will ALWAYS be able to fit 9 GCD's in a 2.46 window. Doing that every time literally demands perfection in every way.
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