tank gear

[Thela]

Nevermind which materia but, I don't understand when people make this argument about one materia being cheaper.

I have never paid for a single VIII materia and I have about a dozen+ VIII tenacity AND direct hit materia via quests, drops, and those little clusters from tank in need leveling and alliance roulettes.

How is it you all need to buy materia for your melds?

Because pentamelding obviously.

[kazzel120]

Except it kinda is...it's not parry levels of bad but it's still far from optimal unless you're pushing world first progression and have it stacked through the roof. It will always fall behind any other secondary.

Crit > Comfy SkS > Det > Ten (WAR)
Direct Hit > Determination > Critical Hit > Tenacity (PLD)
Comfy SkS > DH > Det > Crit > Ten (GNB/DRK)

GNB doesn't want SkS it messes with your rotation and timers for syncing up No Mercy and Sonic Break. DRK sure for 5 BS under Delirium but DH is best for both.

[VenKitsune]

GNB doesn't want SkS it messes with your rotation and timers for syncing up No Mercy and Sonic Break. DRK sure for 5 BS under Delirium but DH is best for both.

Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.

[Kabooa]

Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.

But you don't understand.

If things don't line up perfectly then the job is UNPLAYABLE.

[DRKoftheAzure]

TL;DL I went into E1S with 2700+ Tenacity on DRK(because I need to be legitimate about my DRK complaints) and as a casual who wants to get into Savage as a tank, Tenacity stat REALLY needs to be buffed to make it worth investing in that isn't "budget stat" because Tenacity is like a lot people say, a dead stat... Like how DRK is a dead tank...

[Absimiliard]

TL;DL I went into E1S with 2700+ Tenacity on DRK(because I need to be legitimate about my DRK complaints) and as a casual who wants to get into Savage as a tank, Tenacity stat REALLY needs to be buffed to make it worth investing in that isn't "budget stat" because Tenacity is like a lot people say, a dead stat... Like how DRK is a dead tank...

DRK is honestly far from being a dead tank. It comes in third for DPS when provided certain raid buffs, but its performance even when denied optimal conditions is still within five percent of the top performer. DRK is currently a welcome participant in raids - with or without the jobs it needs to perform optimally - due to just how strong TBN is. Dark Missionary is also a very welcome buff, though GNB has an ability that does the same thing. At any rate, you'll find that DRK can make up for the damage it doesn't deal with the damage it doesn't take. Odds are we'll see a bit less use once everything is on farm, but I don't see anybody benching their DRK this time around. Tank balance is excellent this time around.

As for tenacity... Well, you've kinda got the right of it. It would probably have been a decent enough stat if tanks in this game were expected to focus more on survival than DPS, but such is not the case. We really are just blue DPS.

[Freyyy]

Not true. GNB needs Sks to comfortably fit 9 GCD'd during your NM window. You may not need to meld it, but you DO need a certain ammount to get the most out of a 20% damage buff skill, which at the end of the day will vastly out weigh any ammount of crit or DH you meld.

I see what you're saying though - Too much SkS and Sonic break will come off cooldown a little before No mercy. So what though? Just hold on to it for a few seconds while you wait for NM to catch up, nobody is forcing you to use it right away.

But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.

[Absimiliard]

But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.

Keep in mind that being able to fit nine GCDs inside the No Mercy window is only part of the equation. You will run into problems if your timers start to drift.

[Rathael]

Tenacity is just not needed because of encounter design. Boss autos do basically nothing and as long as you execute mechanics correctly, you will have no problem clearing any encounter that you meet the ilevel requirement for. Tanks in particular will simply never be in danger to party mechanics due to the flat 20% DR and large health pool. The only thing that threatens you is a buster, which you have a billion cooldowns for.

Damage on the other hand is critical in savage content. Enrage timers are tight and squeezing out every digit of dps you can is important to clearing.

Until they redesign bosses to threaten tanks outside of tankbusters, tenacity will be the obsolete stat. At most you can stack it if you just want to spam roulettes with huge pulls.

[VenKitsune]

But you don't need ANY SkS to fit 9 GCDs inside of No Mercy. Just time it at the very end of your GCD. You can do it with almost 2.5 GCD. It's been shown in the balance discord with 2.47 GCD and 100 ping. GNB really has no reasons to meld SkS. Just go full ham on the other stats.

I often struggle to get 9 GCD's in my NM with 2.42 GCD cooldown, even when i use NM in the last third of the GCD timer. Just because its possible doesn't make it effective - if you cant do it EVERY TIME then melding SkS would of benefited you more than melding anything else. If your assumption was held in a vacuum where everyone played perfectly all the time on every single fight then you'd be right, but nobody is perfect, and nobody will ALWAYS be able to fit 9 GCD's in a 2.46 window. Doing that every time literally demands perfection in every way.