Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Sapphire_Dianta]

Honestly I'll take Orbonne any day of the week, even if it's a wipefest. I am soooooo sick of seeing Labyrinth and Tower, day after day for the last two months. Who knows? Maybe if people didn't drop their i-lvl to actively try and avoid Orbonne, we'd all see it a lot more, and therefore the community would be more competent at running it. Definitely needs an adjustment like MSQ roulette, though. Spending an hour in that place versus fifteen minutes in Syrcus Tower deserves apt compensation.

[ForteNightshade]

Looks like I finally get to join in on the trend of people queuing into content without proper gear!

What happened? I decide to level Warrior and get Holminster Switch in Leveling Roulette. Cool! More experience. No one says anything and I go about the first big pull—the one with only the single bear. I notice right away despite rotating CDs... I'm not getting healed. Or at the very least, said heals aren't doing much. Blow through Vengeance, Rampart, Shake and was grudgingly going to hit Equilibrium (I really wanted something for the next pull) but die before I can. No biggy. We softened 'em up, right? Just to be a little safe, I only pull the bear before grabbing what remained after. I straight up explode this time even with Vengeance. I'm pretty sure the Astro outright didn't heal. She immediately bails afterwards. So I look at her lodestone while we wait on a healer. What do I find? Level 60 accessories. She had on gear 11 levels below the dungeon...

Not like that 300+ Mind would help keep me alive or anything. Nah! It's totes okay cause she held grade IV melded in them.

[DynnDiablos]

So, I always groan inside when I get Orbonne, because it always seem there's a particular group (usually Alliance C, for some reason) that will wipe the group at least once (if not repeatedly) on Thunder God. Further, even if they don't, it's almost always twice as long as any other AR roulette.

Got Orbonne the other day and voiced this concern, had somebody go "nah, man, people got this, it won't happen, if you think it's hard it's probably that you don't know how to play." ...after another party in the alliance wiped us 5 times...they ate their words. (Granted, to prove I'm not always right...it was Alliance A that wiped us those times during that run, not Alliance C. Alliance C did just fine.)

AR raid got vote-abandoned after an hour of bad attempts, and I actually got the same guy who was talking crap to me in the new AR raid (this time it was Rabanastre). He opened up in /shout with 'At least it isn't Orbonne.'

I laughed, and then said 'hi' back to him. :P

I rather just run the lower-level ones that take 15 min or less, I just don't find for the time or aggravation the Ivalice raids to be worth it. Most people at this point just want their tomes, so they get on auto-pilot and mechanics go out the window. This does NOT work in Orbonne or any of the Ivalice raids for that matter. What's crazy to me is the Thunder God mechanics aren't all the difficult to understand, yet it creates the most problems.

[Taika]

The Twinning, minotaur pull:

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Had a few strange runs in leveling dungeons lately. First in Dohn Mheg there was this dragoon sprinting ahead of everyone into the bossroom, jumping at the boss straight away. DRG died before the tank and healer even crossed the blue line, then complained that 'this is clearly not a speed run' (whoever told them that?). When the DRG came back the DRG got frogged and kept standing in AOEs and failing mechanics, prolonging the self-intended 'speed run' even longer.

Then I went in Sohm Al as WHM, the tank (GNB) ran off, pulled everything until the first wall and nearly dropped death. I popped Benediction right before he popped Superbolide and I healed him back up. Next he pulled big again and.. died nearly instantly. He was dropping down faster then I could ever heal [Benediction still on CD and a swiftcasted Cure III was not enough] and I was like 'What the...?' His gear was all ilevel 270 (maybe broken?) but he never used a cooldown. We start over, reached the boss... where he used them all at the same time, right at the beginning of the fight. It went better after the first boss as he pulled smaller, but still...

In Holminster Switch I again had a tank who never used (or used them all at once) cooldowns but this time the DPS was also bad as the DDs didn't AOE much, so I had the feeling I need to do everything by myself, spamming holy between healing the tank and even managing positions by using rescue more then once on a clueless BRD who kept standing where noone should be standing in. Even had to solo-break the chain on the last boss, because noone cared about their captured teammate. Wiped once too but in the end we pulled through somehow..

[Lammas]

Ever since ShB started, I've been joining a lot and I mean A LOT of in-prog Orbonne. It's come to a point where I bet myself every time i see the timer for alliance queue. If I see 24+mins have passed, 9/10 times it's Orbonne (and I'm usually right). It's even worse when you learn that people bailed on the first wipe. There have been some runs I've asked how was it up to Cid--because it's usually the part where people bail--and the responses have been mixed. Some runs apparently, people were wiping or struggling right up to Cid, other runs, every thing was fine up to Cid.

As for when I get Orbonne from the get-go rather than in-prog, I've started asking myself if I should just take the penalty immediately if people are just gonna bail after a single wipe.

If you aren't the first one leaving, I'm fairly sure you don't get a penalty. Also you can lower your item level before queuing and then change right back and BOOM, no Orbonne.

[Dreamsoap]

I got kicked from an alliance roulette, Dun Scaith. Haven't done it in eons because let's face it, when do you ever get it in roulette. So ofc, everyone's struggling as most don't know the fight. Get to the final boss and I've been spending CDs like a mofo. I'm busy healing 98% of the time as WHM. I rez the tank at one point, he immediately dies after because I don't have a single instant cast to get him up and only can hard cast cure. He dies in the mean time and proceeds to bitch me out for it. "You have full mp you're just not healing". They then proceed to kick me after we wipe because the tank cleaved the party. (The same tank stood /WAY/ outside my range on the first boss and I had to somehow weave between mechanics and getting close enough to top him off.) Amazing. Thanks co-healer, who I had to work round the clock purging doom on everyone including yourself and rezzing almost everyone. Jesus christ.

[Noitems]

Honestly I'll take Orbonne any day of the week, even if it's a wipefest. I am soooooo sick of seeing Labyrinth and Tower, day after day for the last two months. Who knows? Maybe if people didn't drop their i-lvl to actively try and avoid Orbonne, we'd all see it a lot more, and therefore the community would be more competent at running it. Definitely needs an adjustment like MSQ roulette, though. Spending an hour in that place versus fifteen minutes in Syrcus Tower deserves apt compensation.

Problem is Orbonne's (and all of the Ivalice raids, and Dun Scaith from Mhach) amount of time spent isn't worth the exp. When LotA and ST offer the same amount of exp for 1/4th the time of Orbonne you know there's a balancing issue. I'm an absolute advocate for Mhach, Dun Scaith, and Orbonne popping up in rous. I love them so much as they actually require a working brain and isn't just a simple burn. Problem is when people drop because they know it's going to be a time waste it makes everyone else drop.

I actually had Orbonne yesterday on my lunch break (about two hours) and one alliance kept wiping on Cid three times in a row. We explained the mechs, we showed them how it works, yet a bard in another alliance kept Caustic Biting him and we had to keep going through it on the fly.

Fact is I want to do these raids in alliance rou, but the majority of people are either not in for the investment, or can't handle simple mechanics that lead to a wipe. I pray when we hit the Nier series this will be less of an issue as everyone will be bringing their A-game (I hope).

[SturmChurro]

I got kicked from an alliance roulette, Dun Scaith. Haven't done it in eons because let's face it, when do you ever get it in roulette. So ofc, everyone's struggling as most don't know the fight. Get to the final boss and I've been spending CDs like a mofo. I'm busy healing 98% of the time as WHM. I rez the tank at one point, he immediately dies after because I don't have a single instant cast to get him up and only can hard cast cure. He dies in the mean time and proceeds to bitch me out for it. "You have full mp you're just not healing". They then proceed to kick me after we wipe because the tank cleaved the party. (The same tank stood /WAY/ outside my range on the first boss and I had to somehow weave between mechanics and getting close enough to top him off.) Amazing. Thanks co-healer, who I had to work round the clock purging doom on everyone including yourself and rezzing almost everyone. Jesus christ.

Sounds about right, these are the kind of kicks that make me personally mad. You should have kicked the tank. The group almost always clicks yes in alliance roulette on whatever kick is in front of them.

Fact is I want to do these raids in alliance rou, but the majority of people are either not in for the investment, or can't handle simple mechanics that lead to a wipe. I pray when we hit the Nier series this will be less of an issue as everyone will be bringing their A-game (I hope).

The only time people will want to do any kind of raid that requires the higher time investment is when they get relevant drops. However, expect even more people failing those mechanics because of it. It's a double edged sword. People who are uninterested in learning to play properly will not change, they will expect to get carried for their drops. One or two people isn't too bad, but in an alliance raid this seems to be a large amount of people.

[SenorPatty]

Uh...

Just in case someone has just come from completing a Raba raid like, maybe 30mins ago and noticed a Hrothgar afking within the first 5 seconds of the first boss fight in Aether...

That was me. Got family aggro, which spiraled into something else. Couldn't even get back into my computer to take the penalty. Sorry about that.