Quote Originally Posted by kajv95 View Post
I'd say the problem here is that there *is* an obvious easier way out, and people confident in their weekly clears pugging simply have no reason to bring an RDM along at all. You're arguing that RDM is great for prog. Yeah, that's great and true! But nobody was arguing that it wasn't. Personally, I'm arguing for *all* rDPS to go closer to the current top 4 since nerfing the top 4 would cause even more issues for dancers and ninjas. In this equation, RDM would still be the weakest as by the nature of the job, but it shouldn't be this weak.

If not buffed in the traditional sense, there has to be a trade-off for not having to use your raise/cure and gives RDM a small boost that helps it flourish a little more outside of progging. Would give it a small layer of additional depth as well.
I'm more arguing that RDM is already fine in all scenarios on top of being good for prog. Don't get me wrong I feel like all classes should be around the same level in terms of rDPS. BLM/MNK/DRG are over tuned atm and should honesty be brought down a bit and everyone else brought up a bit. I'm not saying RDM couldn't use some love, more that its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be and people excluding them from PF should really rethink their stance, especially this early in the raid tier.

The way I see it, it's a DPS that provides decent party DPS support, and the ability to help out should things go sideways. On top of that it has good mobility, is ranged, and is fairly easy to play, its spot near the bottom of the rDPS chart is warranted. If not RDM then who else should be below them with the current way classes are done. Someone has to be at the bottom and RDM has a good excuse to be there. I don't think it should be there by alot mind you but... well it isn't currently(Dancer is actually lower). Like I said someone has to be at the bottom and RDM gives a group a nice parachute that other classes cant provide to the same extent.

Not everything is a speed clear and if you are, most likely are gonna only going to go for the top half of the DPS anyways, though I don't think RDM would really slow you down at all in its current state if played well.