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  1. #1
    Player
    AikenDrum's Avatar
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    Mio Aiken
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    Louisoix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I found e1s sss clearable if you delay second manafication after embolden to fit one more finisher right before 3min mark
    Also according to the sheet drg is supposed to have only 350 more dps for e1s sss
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    Last edited by AikenDrum; 08-13-2019 at 02:53 PM.

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    Janhyua's Avatar
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    Janhyua Yotsuyu
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 80
    Dancer are getting blocked out on PF on Elemental both the JP and EN players

    so you are not alone in this
    (3)

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    Janhyua's Avatar
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    Janhyua Yotsuyu
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    Tonberry
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    Samurai Lv 80
    its funny how people used to love raid buff but this expansion they started blocking nin and dancer both raid buff
    (3)

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    geekgirl101's Avatar
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    M'leineya Leoh
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    NIN, DNC, RDM and SMN getting blocked. AST also got pooped on. Leaves just DRG, BLM, SAM, MNK, BRD and MCH as the highest DPS jobs. I tried BLM, I'm not so comfy with it, and not too comfy playing BRD in raids either because too many adjustments in how the job is played makes me go into a full-blown anxiety attack. I may try leveling my DRG again since it's the only other job I've had practice on in the past that I was ok with, but that's gonna set me back by a lot since I didn't get it to 70.
    (4)
    Last edited by geekgirl101; 08-13-2019 at 04:52 PM.
    Gaius van Baelsar: Nor is this unknown to your masters. Which prompts the question: what came first, the chicken or the egg?

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    Drayos's Avatar
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    Sethra Rage
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken View Post
    DPS is the easiest thing to balance : You get the data of rDPS and pDPS and you ajust potency.
    RDM is not a damage support DPS class, rdm deserve better pdps, period.

    BLM deserve the first spot, it's normal, it's a slow cast/mobility caster with 0 utility for the group beside his damage. Then Monk 2nd ok no problem, then every DPS ( exepct ninja/dancer) should be 3rd with dragoon and machinist and then Ninja/Dancer should be 4th but not too far behind the other like it is now. Ninja/dancer deserve better pDPS.
    I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

    3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

    The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

    U also forgot SAM
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  6. #6
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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Character
    Antony Gabbiani
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

    3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

    The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

    U also forgot SAM
    Also, Xenoglossy is instant cast and stacks twice, meaning that if a BLM knows movement is coming up (and a black mage main will know that about a fight) they can hold the spell to use while moving without interruption to DPS.

    Add to this a Summoner in dreadwyrm trance has every spell instant cast, and even in firebird trance everything is instant (though you do lose attacks from your phoenix pet if you move) making both jobs more mobile than red mage that can only move between dual casts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    Embolden is the other reason RDM has lower DPS than either SMN or BLM, a 10% increase of physical damage for 5 seconds that's scaled down every 5 seconds, the only people this doesnt effect are the healer, but if you time embolden right to go in burst windows, its huge damage.

    You also have to realize how mobile RDM is compared to the other 2 casters, it can move for free ever other GCD
    You need to compare like to like skills. So Embolden starts as a 10% increase then 4 seconds in is an 8% increase, and continues to get weaker as time goes on, so this isn't a flat 10% increase to DPS. Compare this to Brotherhood: that has a flat 5% increase on a 15 second duration, but has a 30 second shorter recast time. Now compare to Devotion which is also a flat 5% buff, but applies to other casting jobs also with a 15 second duration but has a 30 second longer recast time than embolden. So Embolden isn't really better than any other job skill in this regard.

    One suggestion I quite like is that the red mage gets a buff to their damage when executing combos (I personally think it should be attached to casting verflare/verholy) but that buff gets removed when casting verraise. This way if the red mage is called upon to raise in a fight, then their damage goes down as part of providing that utility, but if they don't raise at all in a fight, then they deal higher damage to make up for that utility not being used.
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    Last edited by wereotter; 08-14-2019 at 03:56 AM.

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    Miminming's Avatar
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    Arclest Aura
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    Belias
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80
    Just to remind you the current SMN rotation need you to cut deadwyrm extremely early or youll lost all party buff window... you also possibly lost attack from phoenix if you move during firebird trance CMIIW

    SMN move window is extremely strict move outside it mean losing potency...
    (3)

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    Memento's Avatar
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    Layton Faust
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

    3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

    The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

    U also forgot SAM
    Wait - what 3 teleports does BLM have?
    (1)

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    Drayos's Avatar
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    Sethra Rage
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Memento View Post
    Wait - what 3 teleports does BLM have?
    they are able to teleport to other party members, im pretty certain it has 3 stacks to it.
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  10. #10
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Drayos View Post
    they are able to teleport to other party members, im pretty certain it has 3 stacks to it.
    10 second cooldown, no stacks.
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