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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Edit: Just remembered that Unukalhai's an old Arabic name for one of the stars in Serpentarius. They've pulled from Zodiark's constellation twice now, as Sabik is another star in it, so I definitely wouldn't be surprised if 14's name and/or title is also somehow related to Serpentarius.
    To be honest, my own completely unfounded speculation is that the name of the 14th Convocation Member is "Sabik".

    Unfounded because there's literally nothing to prove it, and speculated because wouldn't it be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    To be honest, my own completely unfounded speculation is that the name of the 14th Convocation Member is "Sabik".

    Unfounded because there's literally nothing to prove it, and speculated because wouldn't it be cool.
    Lucifer. Lahabrea gave us the moniker “bringer of light”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Lucifer. Lahabrea gave us the moniker “bringer of light”.
    Interesting, might as well be true. But if we are going with Greek names:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The Greek name was Phosphoros (also meaning "light-bringer") or Heosphoros (meaning "dawn-bringer").
    And I think not only Lahabrea thought of us this way:
    Quote Originally Posted by Minfilia
    As long as your flame continues to burn, the light of the dawn may ever be relit!
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    As for the Fourteenth's Convocation title... well, I dunno. They already stretched just getting the titles of the Thirteen, and given as the Fourteenth was not complicit in the summoning of Zodiark (implicitly they were against it), I doubt it's related to Serpentarius.

    As for their true name... well, that too is unknown, however given as Emet-Selch's true name is Hades my idea was that they are all named after the Greek pantheon... that would make Elidibus, the Emissary (Messenger) Hermes and Lahabrea, the Warrior Ares... if we follow that logic and take the Ascians calling us "Bringer of Light" to mean anything in particular, my guess would be Helios...
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    Hmm, maybe we will end up being Hestia, the eldest sister of Hades...

    And considering she was the one tending fires, bringer of light kinda fits too (althought that would be stretching it...).
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    I would put my money on Prometheus. Prometheus was a titan that stole fire from the gods to give mankind it's power and was punished by them.

    Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 228 - 258 :
    "Prometheus : However, you ask why he [Zeus] torments me [Prometheus], and this I will now make clear. As soon as he had seated himself upon his father's throne, he immediately assigned to the deities their several privileges and apportioned to them their proper powers. But of wretched mortals he took no notice, desiring to bring the whole race to an end and create a new one in its place. Against this purpose none dared make stand except me--I only had the courage; I saved mortals so that they did not descend, blasted utterly, to the house of Haides. This is why I am bent by such grievous tortures, painful to suffer, piteous to behold. I who gave mortals first place in my pity, I am deemed unworthy to win this pity for myself, but am in this way mercilessly disciplined, a spectacle that shames the glory of Zeus . . .
    Chorus : Did you perhaps transgress even somewhat beyond this offence?
    Prometheus : Yes, I caused mortals to cease foreseeing their doom (moros).
    Chorus : Of what sort was the cure that you found for this affliction?
    Prometheus : I caused blind hopes (elpides) to dwell within their breasts.
    Chorus : A great benefit was this you gave to mortals.
    Prometheus : In addition, I gave them fire.
    Chorus : What! Do creatures of a day now have flame-eyed fire?
    Prometheus : Yes, and from it they shall learn many arts.
    Chorus : Then it was on a charge like this that Zeus--
    Prometheus : Torments me and in no way gives me respite from pain."

    Going further, many traits of Lucifer (whos name translates to Morning Star/Light bringer as mentioned above) and Prometheus can be attributed to being the same story but from different perspectives. Seeing how this expansion in particular has heavy themes from both mythos, I am inclined to believe it is even more likely. The 14th is in my opinion more likely to have a name befitting a Titan or Demi-God rather than a full fledged all powerful being.

    So in my understanding of events.

    Zodiark takes his throne only to give out power and titles "worthy of Gods" to those who summoned him while demanding sacrifices be made to him. The 14th member says F to that and summons Hydaelyn to stop the sacrifices. All but three are split into shards. The story of FFXIV begins as a shard of the 14th begins his/her cycle of death and rebirth as protector of these new mortals, ever standing in the way of the "Gods" who would see it all be reversed.

    "One brings Shadow, One brings light."
    "I am Shadow, I am the Light."
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    Forgive me for the bump, but I would very much like to continue this conversation and hear (read) others opinions on the matter.
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    Just my opinion. Won't lose sleep if you don't like it.

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    Well, the Gamescom interview debunked the idea that they were all necessarily Greek names, specifically mentioning that while Hythlodaeus is Greek that doesn't mean everything there is rooted in Greek.

    A lot of people already figured it out, but the Ancients' capital of Amaurot is a reference to Thomas More's Utopia, as are a lot of the smaller details. Amaurot was the capital of Utopia. Raphael Hythlodaeus was a traveler to the island. The Akademia Anyder is a reference to the Anyder River. And so on and so forth.

    That said my money is still on them being named after the Greek gods. (Prometheus is a good idea, I admit, but contingent on them having actually been among those who created Hydaelyn.)
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    Due to the Gamescom interview, I'm going to go under the assumption that only a few names were Greek due to a coincidence.
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    I think the idea is "We were referencing Utopia, which used Greek names, and the final boss was a shout-out to a previous summon like so many other things who coincidentally was named after a Greek god."

    I guess I could read Utopia for ideas, but, ehh, 12 hour workdays take a lot outta ya...
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