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    Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
    Why glorify something thats not ideal ?
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    I also can't envision a loot system short of giving everyone their own individual loot that would ever solve this problem.
    what are you suggesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira View Post
    what are you suggesting
    I like the token system we have. The problem is that people can roll on it every week, even if they have the piece it trades into.

    I'd like to see restrictions on this. To constantly be out rolled on drops people don't need as their current class feels bad week after week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteCristo View Post
    Because this is a death sentence....how long do u expect people to be ok with the zombie brain dead hamster wheel tomestone method?
    Six years and counting. But we weren't even talking about tomestones, we're talking about Savage loot drops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
    I like the token system we have. The problem is that people can roll on it every week, even if they have the piece it trades into.

    I'd like to see restrictions on this. To constantly be out rolled on drops people don't need as their current class feels bad week after week.
    Are you pugging with the same people week after week? If not, then this wouldn't meaningfully affect the outcome. Also how many people have you been outrolled by, specifically regarding savage loot people already have equipped then and there, when only two weeks have passed?
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    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Are you pugging with the same people week after week? If not, then this wouldn't meaningfully affect the outcome. Also how many people have you been outrolled by, specifically regarding savage loot people already have equipped then and there, when only two weeks have passed?
    It's a different group every week. So far I've been out rolled as follows:

    Week 1 ES1 + ES2 - 6 Drops
    Week 2 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops
    Week 3 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops

    Like I said, very problematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
    It's a different group every week. So far I've been out rolled as follows:

    Week 1 ES1 + ES2 - 6 Drops
    Week 2 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops
    Week 3 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops

    Like I said, very problematic.
    I can't seen how you can expect a more fair loot system than being at total egality with every other player that participate in the same fight as you. Being unlucky don't invalidate mathematic proof, mathematics don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
    It's a different group every week. So far I've been out rolled as follows:

    Week 1 ES1 + ES2 - 6 Drops
    Impossible for anybody to have been wearing gear at this point as you've complained. If you have the savage ring and you're running e1s on week one, for instance, you A) Can't roll in the first place and B) reduce the total loot everyone else could get as well.

    Week 2 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops
    Week 3 ES1 + ES2 + ES3 - 9 Drops
    And of these 18 drops, you're telling me that there was such a significant number of people rolling on stuff they were already wearing that it's an issue?

    Like I said, very problematic.
    What's your solution that would be meaningfully different than what we have now?

    In E1S there are three drops. There are eight players. A pug rotates players by the nature of it being a pug. What is a fair way for loot to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Impossible for anybody to have been wearing gear at this point as you've complained. If you have the savage ring and you're running e1s on week one, for instance, you A) Can't roll in the first place and B) reduce the total loot everyone else could get as well.


    And of these 18 drops, you're telling me that there was such a significant number of people rolling on stuff they were already wearing that it's an issue?


    What's your solution that would be meaningfully different than what we have now?

    In E1S there are three drops. There are eight players. A pug rotates players by the nature of it being a pug. What is a fair way for loot to work?
    Already made suggestions of what would make a fairer loot system. Scroll up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avraym View Post
    Already made suggestions of what would make a fairer loot system. Scroll up.
    "Same as we have now but you can't roll on what you're wearing"?

    It would make no meaningful difference in pug groups, if anything it would just make it unnecessarily harsher on statics who can and will gear alts once their mains are completely geared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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