Is it me or has the community gotten worse...

[Nariel]

The community is just as bad as it always has been, I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there.

My sweet summer child, what do you know about toxic community ?!

Toxic is for the grieffer when the NM spawn hundreds of minutes delayed. Toxic is for the long night, when the child are trashed for the sake of a farming spot. That is the time for toxic behavior, when the elitist scum walk trough the maps, a dozen of years ago they came at night claming the life of every unaware begginer. And mother insulted to no ends rather than letting the hate go, the grease flowing between their finger, so this is the kind of community that you see here ?

[Rivxkobe]

I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there.

Compared to League of Legends, DOTA, Overwatch, Black Desert, Maplestory, and TERA? I disagree completely.

[Xuled]

The community is just as bad as it always has been, I am of the opinion that this games community is the worst online community out there. It pretends that its so good, so happy and non-toxic, when its actually full of toxicicty in form of casually just hating everyone who comes from some place else, or doesn't like the things the general community likes. And then it gets all high and mighty in "OOOH we are so good, everyone else is shit though, don't come and ruin OUR community with YOUR toxicity."

Nothing is worse than toxic casual who doesn't know how toxic they really are...

While I fully believe this along with you, it's a different kind of toxicity. In other products, like League it's upfront and direct while here everything is hidden behind passive aggressiveness to avoid swift GM punishments (thanks to the new ToS).

GCBTW <3

[Rivxkobe]

Hey, Rivxkobe.

Tenacity is a good melding option for Tanks.

Bye xD.

Also, i stand by when i say:

75% of the Elitist/Toxic ppl in this game are Raiders who for some reason think just because they can follow a step by step instruction from a guide and clear "Hard content" with the help of 3rd Party Apps suddenly gives them the right to look down on the rest of the playerbase.

The remaining 25% are the Mentors, most who raid themselves, seems to offer more criticisms instead of actually providing good sound advice.

The Raider's think so highly of themselves, they blatantly sell Ex Trial/Savage wins for Paypal transfers on the Party finder everyday lol.

Go ahead and hate, but deep down inside you know it's true. And for all the Raiders saying casual content is toxic? It's toxic because they're in it.

If you want to use TEN that's fine, but it isn't "good" and isn't needed, which you straight up stated it was needed to run Expert roulette in another thread.

Are you are raider? A Mentor? I doubt it. If you are then you are proving your own point. If not? Your point is moot and lost.

I recently became a Mentor. I do not raid. Am I toxic? Sometimes, but that's when I'm fed up with people wasting time or being carried through content. Usually, I try to help people, or explain mechanics or state what needs to be done. Would I say any one group is more toxic than another? No.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with raiders and mentors but you've made your point, just because people have a different experience or disagree does not mean they are wrong.

And, again, you are easily the most toxic person in this thread.

[HWalsh]

The easiest way to not be toxic is very simple:

Stop caring about what other people do.

If you are clearing the content, not wiping, then you have no reason to alt tab into FFLogs and look in case someone isn't "pulling their weight" as long as you clear the content then DPS doesn't matter as the party's DPS is "enough" which is all you need.

If the party doesn't die then the healing is, again, "enough."

If the tank doesn't fall over and keeps the enemy's attention then he's tanking "enough."

You don't need, for any reason, to go more than that. Are you doing enough? Yes? Good! Move on.

That is where toxic comes in. Toxic is when you check logs before you start, ostracize people who've opted out, or who aren't totally min-maxed.

As long as they have enough, then there is no problem. The problem comes in when people demand more than enough.

[SturmChurro]

The raiding community is definitely not the most toxic part of the game, and that is guaranteed. I have done savage prog pugs the past couple weeks, and actually those were probably the most patient, and fun interactions I have actually had in the game. We all improved, progressed, and complimented eachother when we did well, had patience when anyone made a mistake. There are definitely it's 'toxic' elements, but I think a lot of that has to do with personal drama via statics - which is universal across all games (clan/guild drama pretty much). Just don't join parties you have no business in joining, join parties applicable to you, or create one.

The majority of the toxicity I have personally seen in this game comes from the general user base, casual content, leveling content, farms, etc. Yes, a lot of it is from the high and mighty (holier than thou) part of the community as well. I will agree on one thing though, mentors. Mentors are some of the most toxic part of the community I have been around, and consistently witnessed across servers/datacenters.

[DynnDiablos]

I guess I live in my own little bubble because I haven't encountered much in terms of toxic people. Sure the random roulette can have issues, but overall I haven't had anything downright offensive. I also don't really raid a lot and tend to avoid Savage stuff, so maybe I just haven't slipped into that area of the game.

[Melichoir]

I guess I live in my own little bubble because I haven't encountered much in terms of toxic people. Sure the random roulette can have issues, but overall I haven't had anything downright offensive. I also don't really raid a lot and tend to avoid Savage stuff, so maybe I just haven't slipped into that area of the game.

From my experiences and observations youre not gonna find to much toxicity generally, savage or not. You may encounter more in PF for savage depending whats going on. It takes a bit of perspective at times. As an example, you join a farm party and the PL is very blunt saying "If you die so many times, youre out." Yeah thats kind of toxic and dickish, but if people go beyond the surface and actually talk to people they find the PL was been at this for a few hours in parties where people are trap** as hell and hes just trying to find a good solid group that can clear the stuff. Cause typically these same people who say that will not kick someone if they die. Theyll say "Have we been clearing and is this an outlier" and will keep going.

People can get frustrated with the performance of other players at times, especially when theyre trying to accomplish something. This isnt a Raider or Casual thing. Its a human thing. Everyone has limits and sometimes their patience gets tested. Some people find Trap** parties fun, but I think most people dont. And that can lead to some bitterness. Should they take a 5 minute break and cooldown? Yeah, but were dealing with people. When annoyed and really want something, people tend to go harder at it, not take a step back.


**Also for quick note: If youre not familiar with the term "Trap" or "Trap Parties", its parties with players who claim theyre better/more experienced then they are in a fight or at the game. So, as an example, if you are looking to join a clear party cause youve gotten to enrage a few times in PF, and join one in PF that claims theyve seen enrage and this is for clear but find out most people cant do the first few mechanics and it becomes apparent they dont know the fight, you got baited by players essentially. That happens a lot more than people realize in PF, which can be a problem. Sometimes you gotta fake it cause no one wants to join a learning party on certain content. I get that. But sometimes though its just pure frustration cause its wasting your time when you made proper assumptions that the party knew how to do the fights when really is a bunch of more inexperienced players who are hoping someone will carry them.

[Nix]

This thread's a tricky one because so many people have such varied experiences, so what seems right to one, will be wrong to another.
Speaking from experience, the game community has shifted, just as I feel like communities have shifted everywhere.

Certain players seem impatient, quick to anger/take offense, unable to take criticism or even gentle advice, yet constantly seek validation through behaviors that scream "give me attention."
It's really hard to explain, but 15 years ago, it wasn't like this - people still did these things, sure, but it wasn't to this extent. It's almost contradictory in a way - people scream "you don't pay my sub!" but at the same time say "please tell me I'm doing this right." This makes it hard for people to interact because you're walking on eggshells around the playerbase because it's so easy for folks to get offended. Not that I go around offending people haha - I don't! But I do feel wary all the same.

I can't pin down toxicity to one particular group of people because it's prevalent everywhere - FFXIV players, WoW players, casuals, raiders etc. That being said, the most toxic community I ever had the misfortune of meeting was on an old Lineage II private server eons ago; everything else seems tame in comparison . People seem quick to pass the blame nowadays instead of working toward a solution, because it's always easier when someone else is at fault /sarcasm

As for FFXIV though - I do feel like it's gotten a bit worse; it's expected though just given the style of game and how there's virtually no consequences for being a muppet (I have discussed the shift from old-gen communities to new-gen communities in a past post so I won't reiterate it here). As a result of this shift, I don't really do much with others now. I have some close friends that I chat with, but I try to steer clear of duty finder when I can because I don't want to deal with trolls, and I steer clear of FCs because of the amount of players that are needlessly argumentative or constantly demanding that someone pay them attention. I *could* find a small FC without that kind of drama, but it's tiring, and by the time I get home after working 12+hours, I just don't have the energy to hunt @_@.

[Nedkel]

While I fully believe this along with you, it's a different kind of toxicity. In other products, like League it's upfront and direct while here everything is hidden behind passive aggressiveness to avoid swift GM punishments (thanks to the new ToS).

GCBTW <3

Theee, not really.
Passive aggressiveness is present in leagu to a much higher degree than in FFXIV.
You will be lucky to not see it in league match when you are on losing side.