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  1. #121
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    Nanami_Naniwa's Avatar
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    Mists, Ward 12, Plot 6
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    Nan Naniwa
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    Spriggan
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    Botanist Lv 90
    I played WHM in HW/SB and now in ShB. I have a RDM as well but like to shuffle between the two classes. It never occured to me to quit healing just because the job got a rework. I know, I'm a bit alone with this but I actually liked the change they made to AST so right now I'm leveling them up too. No healing quits for me.
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    "Pray return to the workshop room."

  2. #122
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    Evanoel's Avatar
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    Evanoel Crownguard
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 74
    I still love AST and switched to GNB from WAR for my tank class. I'm planning to lvl all of the classes tough so I definitely still am gonna lvl WHM and SCH and keep healing.
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  3. #123
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    Osmond's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Danielle Osmond
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    Balmung
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Nah, it's not as bad as people think it is. More of it's easier to manage in DPS and hard cast healing. This expansion really want you to be more reliant on oGCD heals than ever.
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  4. #124
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    Misutoraru's Avatar
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Evanoel View Post
    I still love AST and switched to GNB from WAR for my tank class. I'm planning to lvl all of the classes tough so I definitely still am gonna lvl WHM and SCH and keep healing.
    I parallel leveling WHM and AST
    It is heaven and hell.
    I have to work twice as hard on AST to get similar efforts as my WHM, especially running Nocturnal sect
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  5. #125
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    nalol's Avatar
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    Nalol Inta
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    Louisoix
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    Scholar Lv 80
    AST need even more muscle memory and great knowledge of cards and seals.

    kind of feel u cannot really AST effectively if u play it once every moon. U ned to be way more dedicated than with SCH or WHM.
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  6. #126
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    Abyraz's Avatar
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    Raz'sae Feenal
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    Healing, as a role in FF14, has an absurdly low skill ceiling compared to tanking and DPSing. Fights don't do nearly enough damage for HPS to matter, MP pools are still functionally bottomless (for anything that isn't a BLM) so HPM doesn't matter, and every healer's DPS "rotation" is so trivially easy that there is no room to optimize DPS output. Other games have complex healing because fights dish out more damage than can be healed, at a steadier pace, and healers have tools of varying efficiency to make MP management a real concern. Square won't radically change their fight design philosophy after six years of scripting every point of damage dealt by FF14's fights, so they're going to either have to improve healers on the DPS side of things, or nuke healer oGCDs from orbit and make MP management a major aspect of healer gameplay.
    I have similar sentiments. It feels like the skill ceiling now as a healer is figuring out how to do as little healing as required to squeeze in as many broils(etc) as possible.

    I'm fairly certain most of these fights could be solo healed if there weren't mechanics pushing having a second healer in there so they don't target a random person/dps.

    I still play healer, as my friends need me, but I am playing around with other jobs to see if they appeal to me.
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    Last edited by Abyraz; 08-13-2019 at 11:21 PM.

  7. #127
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    Billythepancake's Avatar
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Abyraz View Post
    I have similar sentiments. It feels like the skill ceiling now as a healer is figuring out how to do as little healing as required to squeeze in as many broils(etc) as possible.

    I'm fairly certain most of these fights could be solo healed if there weren't mechanics pushing having a second healer in there so they don't target a random person/dps.

    I still play healer as my friends need me, but I am playing around with other jobs so see if they appeal to me.
    I like that the idea of healer optimization is about healing as little as possible, my issue is when you achieve that you aren't rewarded with something interesting to do, just push 1 button over and over and over. If the dps kit was at least halfway interesting this wouldn't be an issue.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

  8. #128
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    Abyraz's Avatar
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    Raz'sae Feenal
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    I like that the idea of healer optimization is about healing as little as possible, my issue is when you achieve that you aren't rewarded with something interesting to do, just push 1 button over and over and over. If the dps kit was at least halfway interesting this wouldn't be an issue.
    Oh i generally agree, I might find it more engaging, if it was more interesting.

    I just think it gets a little goofy when we start talking over 70% of your time as a healer, not healing. That is on the encounter side of things tho, could easily shift if fights consistently put out more dps than a single healer could conceivably out heal.
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  9. #129
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    Mirajane_Takami's Avatar
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    Character
    Shiro Fox
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 70
    I've Quite healing entirely and pretty much the game as well sadly , i was super excited for the update and even built up my Sch more then my ninja (i main ninja) mainly due to sch was so much fun , yes we got energy drain back but they took the fun out of the class also removing pet control , now i cant tell my pet to heal another person while doing attacks or other heals.

    SE is still getting my money for houses but i haven't progressed at all cause how much of my motivation got killed immediately with healer changes , i knew Nin (my main ) would end up getting dumbed down like every other class cause thats why they always do when they try and update classes =/ so i felt them both feeling sluggish right away , even on old content , i just want classes to feel fun again and have some actual skill to them not just dumb things down as a bandage fix for for things to be stream lined cause that equals no fun when you take the skill out of the class =/.

    honestly i dought well get something like blue and be able to pick what ever skills we want , but i think something like a class specific variety slots , the best way i could describe it would be like Mortal kombat X (yes i know thats a different game >.> ), where they have the same char but 3 different move sets you can use and just make a option to swap in the char menu before a duty or before engaged in combat .

    It sounds like that would be alot of work and something they would probley never do but i think something like that would fix it so we have more choice to play with more skill based skills set vs having dumb down stream lined skills for some people or another with more dmg then heals , just change how much they they heal per variety slots ,i think something like that would work well with all classes idk it would just mean more work , i just wish i was having more fun with the game like in storm blood , now when im not on other games its just emotes / hanging with friends and playing bard music. (awoo)
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    Last edited by Mirajane_Takami; 08-13-2019 at 11:48 PM.

  10. #130
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    tesni_g's Avatar
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    Character
    Tesni Ginlimian
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I dropped down to part time healing. Raids/primals/unsynched content is fine, I'll heal that.

    But synching and old content? Never again. Dropping down to 50 sucked before but it's worse now because not only are we still not actively healing, and there's less to do while we're standing around. It really highlights the problem when 90% of my uptime is Bio + Broilx9 and Eos looks just as bored as I do.
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