Goodbye Astro

[LariaKirin]

The same can be said about your incessant defense against anyone who would dare go against your opinion. Don't overvalue yourself. Go ahead and defend this "card system" you like so much but get over yourself, your defense over this card system doesn't devalue what we like about the old one.

It's not my fault you're taking this personally. I would advise that you simply ignore my posts or block me.

[Mesarthim]

You must be new to the internet. You don't partake in a public discussion forum, say you're done, then backpedal and continue to argue your semantics.

You didn't even respond with anything relevant. You just project your view onto someone else and tell them what they think they should be doing.

[Brandedblade]

I will continue to defend the new card system because 5.05 is the first time I've ever considered playing AST as anything other than a break from SCH.

Don't pretend like there's some kind of unanimity. I'm not the only one who prefers the new card system. Excessive RNG is bad for you.

I literally had a member of my static message me this morning saying he enjoys having me on my ast lol. I'm in the same camp, now that they fixed AST's ogcd healing and made Divination line up better with raid cooldowns, I'm actually heavily debating maining it over scholar. Heck the Gravity change makes dungeons so much more fun to play.

[Ceasaria]

FFlogs are not a good indicator for many reasons:
- Not everyone parses.
- Out of all people that parse, not everyone uploads logs.
- One person accounts for multiple logs. If I parse two runs of Eden and upload, I count as two SCH parses.

In fact, if I go into E1S today and clear it 100000 times, then by your logic, AST would be the most popular job.

When one player uploads, every other player in the team will be counted too.
So not every AST parses were uploaded by these AST players, which mean your point 1 and 2 are invalidate and shows that FFlogs is a good indicator of the popularity for the jobs.

Anyways, I'm done. AST is strong. The healers are more balanced than they've ever been. People will realize it sooner or later.

No.

[LariaKirin]

When one player uploads, every other player in the team will be counted too.
So not every AST parses were uploaded by these AST players, which mean your point 1 and 2 are invalidate and shows that FFlogs is a good indicator of the popularity for the jobs.

That's true, but it doesn't change a thing. If you suddenly introduce 100000 new parses of WHM + AST of the same party, then by your logic, the conclusion is that SCH is very unpopular. Which is flat out wrong.

Not invalidated in the slightest. No, not every AST parse is uploaded by AST players.
Also: Not every parse is uploaded and not every run of the content is parsed.

FFlogs does not provide data that will give you a good measure of popularity.

[xxvaynxx]

The card system isn't going to change honestly.
I personally like it. I like having every card be useful.
That being said I still feel for all of you that liked the old system.
My job samurai changed a bit as well and I prefer 4.x samurai. But it's not coming back.
I think everyone here just needs to accept the new card system if they wish to stay astro because honestly, the old one is not coming back seeing how we have the seal system and that new skill that makes aoe balance.
They'll have to rework astro which ain't happening until 6.0.

[KanameYuuki]

The card system isn't going to change honestly.
I personally like it. I like having every card be useful.
That being said I still feel for all of you that liked the old system.
My job samurai changed a bit as well and I prefer 4.x samurai. But it's not coming back.
I think everyone here just needs to accept the new card system if they wish to stay astro because honestly, the old one is not coming back seeing how we have the seal system and that new skill that makes aoe balance.
They'll have to rework astro which ain't happening until 6.0.

I really hate this situation because certainly people love the new system just as the old one and it is a good one (far for perfect ofc) , shame we don't live on a perfect word when this could have been the 4th healers or heck Noct AST or something.

But yeah, the core card system is here to stay at least until the next expansion.

[Faxmonkey]

I will continue to defend the new card system because 5.05 is the first time I've ever considered playing AST as anything other than a break from SCH.

Don't pretend like there's some kind of unanimity. I'm not the only one who prefers the new card system. Excessive RNG is bad for you.

Having 7 abilities for an effect that other classes have with 1 ability is crap, especially if you pay for it with less healing options than the other two classes. Explain to me how that design will hold up in the future, if they we take their stated goal of "healers healing & every healer combo should be able to do the content" seriously. Either SCH & WHM excess abilities will turn out to be superflous and groups will want the % scaling Divination buff maybe even 2x, or AST will be gimped in the healing department and be dropped.

[Brandedblade]

Having 7 abilities for an effect that other classes have with 1 ability is crap, especially if you pay for it with less healing options than the other two classes. Explain to me how that design will hold up in the future, if they we take their stated goal of "healers healing & every healer combo should be able to do the content" seriously. Either SCH & WHM excess abilities will turn out to be superflous and groups will want the % scaling Divination buff maybe even 2x, or AST will be gimped in the healing department and be dropped.

Its healing isnt gimped though, they buffed the heck out of it in the last patch. And yes I get it WHM and other classes do more for less. But the cards are fun and unlike whm, ast has nigh unlimited weaving space to take advantage of it. Number wise AST does its job, it's the gameplay loop that is the issue, and unfortunately how gameplay feels is subjective.


For example, SB MCH was very ping reliant and punishing , but there where still people who loved playing it. SB Ast might've had a more interesting card system, but I'm also fond of the system of being able to build up to a divination, especially when I run with my friends and we can coordinate our buffs together. Maybe in an ideal world we can have both? But the way it is now, I'm finally interested in maining another healer besides scholar.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I like AST as it is right now. It's pretty perfect now IMO other than maybe one or two very minor things. I'd like the stun back on Celestial and I'd like a 500 MP regain on something, maybe Lightspeed.

If they over buff it again like they've done in the past, I'll lose interest.