MMORPGs How they have changed for the better? or worse?

[Alexandre_Noireau]

1.- And do you go around calling Starbucks a drug dealer then?

2.- I can and I will. Escapism is not a crime, it is not morally wrong, and it is not for you to decide that it can or cannot be supported. It's your subjective opinion that society is unhealthy.

3.- No, the last thing you want to happen to a person with depression is to take what little happiness they have away from them. What's paramount to a person with depression is happiness, not health.

1.- Yes, they deal a drug (several in fact). Keep trying to play with the "illegal-legal" thingy, drugs are drugs, addictions are addictions, and if a drug addiction makes a person unable to achieve or keep a healthy lifestyle... It doesn't matter much if its legal or illegal, is damaging them and exposure has to end.
2.- Is not a crime, is not morally wrong, and no i do not decide. Yet, i'm not expressing my opinion. Is an objective fact that we live in a mentally ill society, we are seeing depression and other mental illness pandemics all over the developed and even some in developing countries, with terrible numbers to back it up. Like massive increases in the last 2 decades of teenage and young adult suicides all across the globe.
3.- That is the very definition of learned helplessness. "Nothing else can make me happy, so i just stick with this till it kills me." 21st millennial nihilism at it's finnest, or worse.

Sorry to pick this out from pages back -
MMOs can be quite beneficial to social development. Older adults can benefit from forming meaningful friendships online, and those with Autism Spectrum Disorder can learn new social skills in a "safer" (ie - less intimidating) environment.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...47563215004057

https://www.aane.org/video-games-ben...special-needs/

Excellent articles, thank you.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Reducing dopamine to motivation and reward is grossly oversimplifying it, as well as misrepresenting the role it plays in that area.

I'm not a neurobiologist, and this is an MMORPG forum, not my doctorate thesis. Yes, it is simplified, yet is what they mainly work at, and yes, dopamine regulates other processes too, but the chemistry in our brains still a whole new world to keep studying and learning. Neurobiology is amazing and neurochemistry even more so. So much to study and learn.

Yet, you know what is not that "unknown" anymore? The effects of long periods of isolation and lack of significant human contact and healthy social relationships on people with depression. Case. Check the Hikikomori Syndrome - Social Withdrawal. And how is spreading like wildfire through the western world. Capitalism and Neoliberalism lifestyles failed promises and fantasies aside, last thing you want is these people to keep their habits. They are being literally killed by modern society, learned helplessness and their addiction. You can threat one at the time, and since we are not moving into a cyclical resource-energy based economy that allow for a better more humane world anytime soon, in the mean time i rather work on what we can change: Teach these people that there is hope, that things can change.

[Nixxe]

I'm not a neurobiologist, and this is an MMORPG forum, not my doctorate thesis. Yes, it is simplified, yet is what they mainly work at, and yes, dopamine regulates other processes too, but the chemistry in our brains still a whole new world to keep studying and learning. Neurobiology is amazing and neurochemistry even more so. So much to study and learn.

Yet, you know what is not that "unknown" anymore? The effects of long periods of isolation and lack of significant human contact and healthy social relationships on people with depression. Case. Check the Hikikomori Syndrome - Social Withdrawal. And how is spreading like wildfire through the western world. Capitalism and Neoliberalism lifestyles failed promises and fantasies aside, last thing you want is these people to keep their habits. They are being literally killed by modern society, learned helplessness and their addiction. You can threat one at the time, and since we are not moving into a cyclical resource-energy based economy that allow for a better more humane world anytime soon, in the mean time i rather work on what we can change: Teach these people that there is hope, that things can change.

If you have the means to do so, I'd recommend seeking out a therapist.

[Edax]

Is an objective fact that we live in a mentally ill society

You are incorrect. There is no objective "this is a mentally ill society and this a not a mentally ill society" metric.

3.- That is the very definition of learned helplessness. "Nothing else can make me happy, so i just stick with this till it kills me." 21st millennial nihilism at it's finnest, or worse.

No it's not. Millennials aren't saying "nothing can make me happy". And seeking happiness is not nihilism.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

1.- You are incorrect. There is no objective "this is a mentally ill society and this a not a mentally ill society" metric.

2.- No it's not. Millennials aren't saying "nothing can make me happy". And seeking happiness is not nihilism.

1.- I am correct. In fact there is, actually exists a WHOle World Health Organization that does exactly that, study and categorize in an objetive manner the health, including mental health, of societies arround the world. Spoiler alert. Western World is mentally ill and facing a serious pandemic of social-whitdrawal syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress disorders and others. A whole emisphere, OBJECTIVELY MENTALLY ILL.

2.- Seeking happiness as in shutting in cutting all social relationships and allowing a skinner box operative program destroys their brain and further develops unthreated mental illnesses increasing chances of suicide through the roof. You really need to work on your concept of Happiness. Specially to make it something far more significant than "Something that pleasures me".

If you have the means to do so, I'd recommend seeking out a therapist.

Already did.
Thanks for the good advice.

[Edax]

1.- Yes, they [Starbuck] deal a drug (several in fact). Keep trying to play with the "illegal-legal" thingy, drugs are drugs, addictions are addictions, and if a drug addiction makes a person unable to achieve or keep a healthy lifestyle... It doesn't matter much if its legal or illegal, is damaging them and exposure has to end..

1.- I am correct. In fact there is, actually exists a WHOle World Health Organization that does exactly that, study and categorize in an objetive manner the health, including mental health, of societies arround the world. Spoiler alert. Western World is mentally ill and facing a serious pandemic of social-whitdrawal syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress disorders and others. A whole emisphere, OBJECTIVELY MENTALLY ILL.

2.- Seeking happiness as in shutting in cutting all social relationships and allowing a skinner box operative program destroys their brain and further develops unthreated mental illnesses increasing chances of suicide through the roof. You really need to work on your concept of Happiness. Specially to make it something far more significant than "Something that pleasures me".

1. Please cite where the World Health Organization has declared an entire hemisphere mentally ill.

2. Skinner boxes do not destroy brains, they would obviously be illegal if that were the case. And no, I don't need to work on my concept of happiness. I'll will not seek medical advice from someone who has ranted about society being mentally ill or rants about how coffee shop baristas are drug dealers. If you did this out in public, there is a legitimate chance you might be checked into a mental asylum.

[Barraind]

1.- I am correct. In fact there is, actually exists a WHOle World Health Organization that does exactly that, study and categorize in an objetive manner the health, including mental health, of societies arround the world. Spoiler alert. Western World is mentally ill and facing a serious pandemic of social-whitdrawal syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress disorders and others. A whole emisphere, OBJECTIVELY MENTALLY ILL.

1. Neither WHO or IHME have ever taken this position.

2. Even if WHO HAD taken that position, they have, in recent years, taken radically different positions on what they consider mental health than the actual experts in the field. They have 0 mental health professionals on their current board


Also note, the WHO doesnt consider mass starvation in developing countries or North Korea to be a health issue...

I'm not a neurobiologist, and this is an MMORPG forum, not my doctorate thesis

And yet, you're arguing with people who arent pulling nonsense out of their rectums by flapping your arms around and screaming jibberish.

[Nixxe]

1.- I am correct. In fact there is, actually exists a WHOle World Health Organization that does exactly that, study and categorize in an objetive manner the health, including mental health, of societies arround the world. Spoiler alert. Western World is mentally ill and facing a serious pandemic of social-whitdrawal syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress disorders and others. A whole emisphere, OBJECTIVELY MENTALLY ILL.

2.- Seeking happiness as in shutting in cutting all social relationships and allowing a skinner box operative program destroys their brain and further develops unthreated mental illnesses increasing chances of suicide through the roof. You really need to work on your concept of Happiness. Specially to make it something far more significant than "Something that pleasures me".

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about and for your own benefit you should probably stop spouting this nonsense and go get an actual education on the subject. You are so thoroughly wrong and on such basic things that even a psych 101 class at a local community college should do you a world of good.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

I'm entirely wrong. I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time in this thread. I'll retreat from it now.