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  1. #151
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    I wouldn't use that a good enough argument especially when you compare it to the lore of AST cards, Bole, Spire, Ewer all have lore that does not indicate dmg up yet there they are and unlikely to change before next expansion if ever. At this point if it helps achieve balance but contradicts lore it is screw lore at this point(for good and bad reasons).
    Well a lot of that whole mess has a lot to do with drastic job changes without them going back into old 2.0 content and rewriting, you both have good points. For example: Bards in 2.0 had the Healer LB3[I always thought that was pretty awesome, but.....]. So what happened? Well they decided to listen to the dpsdpsdpsdpsdpsdpsdps community,(and maybe they just didnt and straight up decided to go this route, but I can only think they made those major changes in 3.0 over outcry.) The end result, less mobility for some utility and higher-turret like damage. Also the worst LB of the 3 DPS types, as far as damage was concerned. The LB might be just a more streamlined decision, but personally I think that the outcries of "I'm a dps" had a little to do with it, at the least. The turret part. probably a little of that and a little bit of trying to make similarities between BRD and MCH. In conclusion, BRD used to have an identity more like the quests present, and even more so from 1.x, but not so much now
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 08-09-2019 at 07:57 PM.

  2. #152
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    Arclest Aura
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    Belias
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Thr current loot system only better in the first week, because itll always stay for 1/8 unlike the previous system where you are forced to pass the part you already have, while it is fair its definately not a better over the old one in the long time
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  3. #153
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Atomos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Miminming View Post
    Thr current loot system only better in the first week, because itll always stay for 1/8 unlike the previous system where you are forced to pass the part you already have, while it is fair its definately not a better over the old one in the long time
    Except you can roll for alt jobs as well, just like everyone else, so it's still better (since you don't actually have to play as the alt job and can use a job that you have the gear on already). Not to mention, your statement is absolutely ridiculous since if you already have the drop, then you either A) wouldn't be doing it with pugs anymore or B) would be doing it for alt jobs.

    Seriously, I just got finished saying that people need to think a bit before complaining.
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  4. #154
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    Flan Vongola
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by dustdjinn View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but don't the job quests for bard talk about supporting their party with their songs? So I would argue THAT should be their identity based off the lore they put in place.
    Indeed, that was the case in ARR and HW. Back then, Mage's Ballad would refill parties Mana while Army's Paeon would refill TP. Battle Voice would double the effect of these songs. Then there was Foe's Reqiuem which has been removed. Even The Warden's Paeon had a use in HW (it had a freaking 3s cast before the very first job balance patch), best to combine with Warrior's Pacen debuff, but is right now only situational.
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    Last edited by xbahax92; 08-10-2019 at 01:17 AM.

  5. #155
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    Belias
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    No if most people if finish their main job will try to do it with their alt job, thats why there so many alt job party or at least most people around me is, but now you said it yourself no reason to learn other job because you can need all, its bad for contents life and fairness(debateable its more feeling kinda thing), and i didnt even complain just say its definately not better i hate it but its not badder either so im fine either, english not my main language but i apreciate it if you actually try to read what i say
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  6. #156
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    Yes, I wish the dev team would spend more time discussing super important things like gender and playing videogame dress up.
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  7. #157
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    Shaiel Aybara
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I know they haven't announced anything, but uh based on the past when do you think the next live letter will be? And next patch? I know 5.1 will probably be October, so sometime before then?
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  8. #158
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    Jets Down
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by shaiel View Post
    I know they haven't announced anything, but uh based on the past when do you think the next live letter will be? And next patch? I know 5.1 will probably be October, so sometime before then?
    Most likely the 24 hr one late August they like to do then there will be one in September for patch 5.1 stuff.
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  9. #159
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    Riku Reinhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    I wouldn't use that a good enough argument especially when you compare it to the lore of AST cards, Bole, Spire, Ewer all have lore that does not indicate dmg up yet there they are and unlikely to change before next expansion if ever. At this point if it helps achieve balance but contradicts lore it is screw lore at this point(for good and bad reasons).
    Isn't that the argument we are having right now? People are mad that they are making the jobs (bard and astro) not align with their core lore. It doesn't match and its making people upset. I'm saying this "bard has been a lot of things" excuse doesn't matter because they were made to be support, thats why people picked to play them. I can't speak for bards but the bards I know are upset and moved on to other classes and as an astro main the cards are boring now. I wished they would revamped the effects to be different from each other but they could have kept the seals. I do enjoy that new part.
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  10. #160
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    Shaiel Aybara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Most likely the 24 hr one late August they like to do then there will be one in September for patch 5.1 stuff.
    Thank you!
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