Is this a thing now??

[Duskane]

Regen is not a aggro vacuum if tank has grab packs correctly not just walk by to next lot

[RopeDrink]

As a WHM main, whenever I swap to my tank and receive pre or mid-pull Regen, I immediately distrust that healer. Regen by itself is not going to do much while the tank is collecting mobs, so it simply adds the potential for something to deviate during the pull and make it harder to grab. In addition, there is little to no chance of a sprinting tank to receive even moderate damage while collecting mobs, let alone fatal, because they will be constantly moving out of mob attack range trying to collect everything, so a regen isn't useful. A simple Divine Benison does the job and doesn't cause aggro unless mobs have already been tagged.

Above comment about "grabbing correctly" is moot. There are various packs when you will not be able to aggro all simultaneously and thus having a Regen in play simply makes it harder than it needs to be. They are ticking health over while the pull itself takes a bit longer, defeating the purpose.

As a WHM: I simply cast pre-pull Benison, sprint behind/beside the tank while they collect adds, wait for them to settle in their chosen position, QC-Holy once everything is in place, cast whatever heals I deem necessary during the stun (Regen, Asylum), and then proceed to DPS/Holy until healing is required. The tank gets to grab everything quickly/safely with no shenanigans, and neither the tank nor the healer has to worry about stray adds.

It's absurdly simple and clean, so anyone casting regen (or, heaven forbid, spamming MedicaII 24/7 [yes, these people do exist]), then I know I'm going to have to make more effort than usual. It is not uncommon for me to hover my mouse over the spot where the Regen icon pops up just so I can click it off while I'm pulling. There is no reason to use it other than paranoia or lack of faith in one's own abilities.

[Vnolan]

I must find this macro you speak of.

/statusoff "status"

Example:
/statusoff "Regen"
/statusoff "Aspected Benefic"

That would remove Regen and Asp Bene. You would add additional lines for each status you want removed.

How troublesome regen applied between pulls can be depends on how the mobs spawn and aggro (there are a few packs that will spawn and aggro on the first person to cross an invisible line). Threat is easy to generate, but only if your attack connects. It's not uncommon for the tank's AoE to miss a mob if it's going straight for the healer.

Better off to just use the macro.

[Alistaire]

This is a thing now. What's even going on in half these responses? Shadowbringers has fundamentally changed this...and it's not greater enmity generation, though that's nice; it's that tank aoe no longer uses up a finite resource. TP is gone, MP cost on unleash is gone, a tank not tagging all mobs with their aoe when they go by is living in the last expansion.

So go nuts, regen your tank mid-pull, it's not only OK now but it's strictly better than not doing it.

Of course if you have a bad tank who's face-pulling and not using their aoe then adjust, but there's no way people should be saying this makes you a bad healer anymore.

[Kreahk]

If its causing me to chase mobs down, I just start right clicking it off every time they reapply early. If its not, then i just let it be. Either way, I don't make a discussion about it because people get upset/offended if you make suggestions/requests that run counter to how they want to play.

If regen is causing you to lose aggro you dont know how to pull. Job of a healer is not to make it easy for you to pull, its to keep you up. Having said that, I had no issue while tanking or healing with this and I havnt met anyone who cared about this before. . .

I'd probably let the tank die a few times if he said something about heals mid pull and we would wait another 2-3 seconds in Q for a new one who does his job well. . .

[Luzifusy]

If u lose aggro while pulling with regen on, then the tank is just bad at aiming its aoes correctly while running through mobs. dont blame the regen, blame the tank.

[Rivxkobe]

Aggro is so easy for Tanks to establish now that there is almost no reason not to have Regen up now before you pull. I was 100% against it before ShB. I hated when a WHM would Medica II and/or Regen before any pull. Now? Other than overcuring with Medica II there is little reason to not precast them. The main issue before was keeping aggro and establishing enough as you run but those issues don't exist anymore.

Also, no TP so you should be AoEing every trash mob you encounter basically.

As a WHM main, whenever I swap to my tank and receive pre or mid-pull Regen, I immediately distrust that healer. Regen by itself is not going to do much while the tank is collecting mobs,

Lmao. Regen basically acts as a defensive CD as you are gathering mobs, you take a hit and the Regen tick is basically mitigating that amount by "x" amount.

Also this: "How dare the Healer trust me enough to hit every mob I come across and how dare they try to reduce the damage I am taking. DISTRUST!"

[Allooutrick]

I'm seeing plenty of responses that aren't wrong but they're forgetting that these situations are more than just doing your job well. As a member of a team, it's also your job to contribute to the team. By making it harder on a teammate you're not doing as good of a job as you could be. If you're a dps ripping hate from the tank before they get to their place for combat, not good. If youre a healer taking away their enmity by over healing or using certain skills mid pull, not good. We're on a team and must behave as such.

[Rivxkobe]

I'm seeing plenty of responses that aren't wrong but they're forgetting that these situations are more than just doing your job well. As a member of a team, it's also your job to contribute to the team. By making it harder on a teammate you're not doing as good of a job as you could be. If you're a dps ripping hate from the tank before they get to their place for combat, not good. If youre a healer taking away their enmity by over healing or using certain skills mid pull, not good. We're on a team and must behave as such.

You can literally AA a mob and establish enough hate as a tank to ignore Regen enmity generation during a pull now. No one is ripping enmity off a decent tank, so this is a moot point. Honestly, if you aren't attacking mobs as a Healer or DPS as the Tank is pulling then I start to doubt you.

You should definitely not regen a tank who's in the middle of pulling things. That's still a bad idea for the same reason it was a bad idea before.

No. You are wrong. The reason it was bad before was the enmity generation. That is not an issue now.

[Connor]

Uh, isn’t putting Regen on the tank prepull/mid-pull a bit of a waste? I can’t think of any dungeon where a shield wasn’t adequate while tank pulls, and every healer has at least one, whether it’s Excogitation (which effectively acts as mitigation), Adloquium with Recitation, or even just Celestial Intersection on Astrologian. Wouldn’t putting Regen on them while they’re in the process of taking jobs just result in overhealing anyway?

I’m not saying putting Regen on the tank pre-pull is somehow bad, I’m just not sure I understand the purpose.