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    AvenoMatt's Avatar
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    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Atm I don't have AST at max but so far I do Nocturnal Intersection (shield) prepull and once the tank has their position I place Earthly Star or if my shield breaks before they find their spot I wait until they get near 25%hp and Essential Dignity them and then place Earthly Star. Diurnal AB is only used once my ogcd are used up but Noct Interaction is usually back up so free shield/heal. To me any healing that requires MP is last resort XD.
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Coeurl
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Regen on pull / mid pull is just sloppy. If you are doing it then please go back to class 101 for aggro management. Let them do their job, while some tanks can adjust you have no idea what your going to get in a roulette. Saying this behavior is fine is perpetuating bad game play. if the tank has to be healed then do so with a instant or swift cast + heal after they get aggro and before the next group is in range.
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Naychan View Post
    Regen on pull / mid pull is just sloppy. If you are doing it then please go back to class 101 for aggro management. Let them do their job, while some tanks can adjust you have no idea what your going to get in a roulette. Saying this behavior is fine is perpetuating bad game play. if the tank has to be healed then do so with a instant or swift cast + heal after they get aggro and before the next group is in range.


    Flat out NO. To all of that. Reconsider the changes this expansion has brought.
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    Kemiko Oyung
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    Faerie
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    To be perfectly honest, this was really only an issue in the early days of ARR when PLD specifically had no aoe tools outside of Flash (which generated crap enmity), got its tank stance at 40 and it's aoe oGCD after that. WAR didn't have issues if they could bloody target properly, though WAR had significant other problems.

    By the time mass pulling became a constant thing among the more casual population (Brayflox HM) you only had to worry about double Regen pulls even as pld, so long as you hit everything at least once with flash or hit the lone straggler with shield lob.

    By HW DRK introduced the Sprint pull, being the only tank with zero need of TP to effectively pull and having an evasion boost to ease dmg during the pul and the onslaught come the stop. Enmity by this point was a no brainier. As long as you had your tank stance on...which you should during dungeon pulls.

    Stormblood was much the same as HW for enmity and pulls. It didn't get harder at all and come ShB there's no excuse in the slightest for having any amount of enmity difficulty as a tank. As long as you hit enemies once with tank stance on you'll be fine come the end of your pull. If you manage to miss an enemy, your single target ranged attack has increased enmity as an effect.

    Failing a pull just because you have regen shows the lack of skill of the tanks part more than on the healers part. Sure, once upon a time if was absolutely detrimental to do but that time has long since past (nearly 5 years at this point).

    I'll be honest though, if I hit any ally with an effect and I see you click it off, I just don't hit you with that effect for the remainder of the instance.
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    Well, no, it was an issue for WAR too, 130 tp for overpower added up, so it was a dps loss to do it every 2 or 3 mobs mid pull; you'd want it to hit as many as possible. But now that tp's gone that's not an issue.
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    Kemiko's Avatar
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    Kemiko Oyung
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    Faerie
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    If we're talking DPS, it was a DPS loss to not generate enough enmiity for your blm's triple flare or the smn dots building aggro during your pulls more than anything regen did. WAR also had invigorate to mitigate tp issues, brd could sing for more Regen and HW gave you equilibrium too if you honestly needed it but invigorate should handle your tp issues for pulling - if you had any.
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    Nikola Flamel
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    Zalera
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    Warrior Lv 70
    I cast regen mid fight, and don't even think about it. Is it really that big of a deal? No, I think not, but some make it seem as though it is.
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    miraidensetsu's Avatar
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    Luno Belfi
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    As a healer, I never forget my lesson about not putting a regen on a tank mid-pull.

    I was doing The Stone Vigil for the first time and tank was pulling some trash mobs. He was quite fragile at that time and I was a quite inexperienced white mage. So I had the idea of putting a regen afterwards to help keeping him alive (since he was reaching 40% HP pretty easily). On that pull, the mobs decided that the tank was lame and gone after my head. I died before tank could pull them off me and the party wiped afterwards.
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    Nan Naniwa
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    Spriggan
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    Botanist Lv 90
    I do Mid-Pull-Regen. Not even sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    "Pray return to the workshop room."

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    Ryu Saarva
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    Phoenix
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanami_Naniwa View Post
    I do Mid-Pull-Regen. Not even sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    well, you clearly enjoy getting hit every now and then since all enemies will instantly run towards you, making you lose more mp.
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