Was red mage damage nerfed???

[Ardox]

They have talked about the biggest issues, I wouldn't take it as a sign towards or against adjustment..

[geekgirl101]

Smn raise is a thing though...
People have to stop using the mindset of Red Mage's "utility" of Verraise is reason it should be lower dmg.
Not saying they should be on par with smn but much closer of a gap.
Perhaps smn is punished for movement now but that has not been the case past expansions were it was the most mobile out of all the casters..
The caster jobs should not be overly far apart except also not overly close to jobs that have no utility like blm

All just my opinion of course which we are all allowed to

Realistically all DPS jobs should be capable of doing the around the same figures, there should be no this job is way better than this job and is the new meta, it should be up to the playstyle of the player to pick which job they enjoy playing more. RDM does not need to do lower damage, even more so just because they can fast res because every time they res someone they're losing personal DPS. Even when I'm not constantly ressing people we rarely pass enrage and I'm told it's because of low DPS and I'm the first person they kick out, so I can only assume they are somehow parsing my DPS or are removing me in the knowledge that RDM DPS is the lowest.

[NovaBismarck]

Rdm did not get a buff comparatively to a lot of other classes. It does feel lacking. SE has so many problems with Nin and Smn rotations and Sam issues that it's what they are discussing at the moment. Overall the rotation on rdm feels good and it has a lot to offer so if they'd bring dps up a bit I think it'd feel good. Overall, next to dancer and nin it's the low man on the dps totem pole. I honestly do hope you guys get a buff.

Smn is not that mobile comparatively. Smn heal is not the same as vercure either. We really have no choice about when to use it. You just have to hope your tight rotation lines up with when people need to be healed, otherwise it's a waste. It feels like a novelty at best, a way to differentiate it from Bahamut. Sure, it's utility, but unpredictable at best and is no way comparable to the usefulness of Vercure. There's a reason why when the healer goes down in a dungeon, I rez the healer (Smn) and my husband cures the tank on RDM.

Smn rez is dependent on a couple of factor being using it every 60 secs with Swiftcast for minimal dps loss. The only time I use it outside of swiftcast is when a second healer goes down, I can see primary healer is overtaxed, or we are about to go into a dps phase and dps need to come up. Rdm have the advantage of being able to rez without too much dps loss, but then have more of an mp management issue to deal with. It's more of an issue of realizing when it's time to stop rezzing and just leave people down.

[Brandedblade]

From playing it all it really feels like rdm needs to me is a few points of extra potency scattered here and there about its toolkit, just enough to bridge its gap between itself and blm. I'm thinking mainly on veraero and verthunder. Maybe an extra 50 on verholy, verflare and scorch. Mechanically it feels great it just needs a pinch of extra juice.

[geekgirl101]

Rdm did not get a buff comparatively to a lot of other classes. It does feel lacking. SE has so many problems with Nin and Smn rotations and Sam issues that it's what they are discussing at the moment. Overall the rotation on rdm feels good and it has a lot to offer so if they'd bring dps up a bit I think it'd feel good. Overall, next to dancer and nin it's the low man on the dps totem pole. I honestly do hope you guys get a buff.

Smn is not that mobile comparatively. Smn heal is not the same as vercure either. We really have no choice about when to use it. You just have to hope your tight rotation lines up with when people need to be healed, otherwise it's a waste. It feels like a novelty at best, a way to differentiate it from Bahamut. Sure, it's utility, but unpredictable at best and is no way comparable to the usefulness of Vercure. There's a reason why when the healer goes down in a dungeon, I rez the healer (Smn) and my husband cures the tank on RDM.

Smn rez is dependent on a couple of factor being using it every 60 secs with Swiftcast for minimal dps loss. The only time I use it outside of swiftcast is when a second healer goes down, I can see primary healer is overtaxed, or we are about to go into a dps phase and dps need to come up. Rdm have the advantage of being able to rez without too much dps loss, but then have more of an mp management issue to deal with. It's more of an issue of realizing when it's time to stop rezzing and just leave people down.

I agree. I've started to do less fast resses in party finder parties these days unless it's a tank or a healer or I can see a healer preparing to swifcast res themselves so I can maintain enough damage output. Usually if a person is ressed during the ShB raids they die again almost instantly to AoE so it's no point in wasting mana or damage output ressing someone who's about to die again, although often I've noticed if a person dies during the ShB raids there's little chance of us beating the enrage timer at the end since every second counts, and if people are parsing DPS based on that fight and I'm showing as the lowest because I've been ressing people throughout the fight then it makes me look bad regardless since they're only paying attention to the numbers. It's time people learned mechanics and stopped relying on others to watch their backs all the time and res them when they fail. I'm not perfect myself and mess up quite a lot even when I'm familiar with the mechanics, but at least I'm trying to learn and not just looking for the next party to carry my sorry behind for me. Still I imagine that even with a flawless run my DPS is nowhere near as matched as it was in SB.

[Dommy-Notatop]

We didn't get nerfed and the mana changes were needed and pleasant.

But unfortunately yes RDM has pretty low dps compared to other classes and we're starting to get stigmatized because of it (I think NIN does more rDPS in savage than we do now which condidering how low their dps is ...... well its sad.......

I really don't wanna have to switch to back to BLM

[Maero]

given nothing was said on em in the live letter, i wouldnt be suprised if they remain exactly as they are realistically.

You are probably correct.

@geekgirl, dps should do around the same however there is no way jobs with utility should be on par with jobs with no utility that would not be fair at all
We can agree that RM needs a buff in the dmg department because it is kind of sad

[Drayos]

We didn't get nerfed and the mana changes were needed and pleasant.

But unfortunately yes RDM has pretty low dps compared to other classes and we're starting to get stigmatized because of it (I think NIN does more rDPS in savage than we do now which condidering how low their dps is ...... well its sad.......

I really don't wanna have to switch to back to BLM

Tbh I’ve been considering trying another job too. Unsure which one to rly try tho,

Dragoon and monks seem vastly overpopulated now tho xD

[geekgirl101]

@geekgirl, dps should do around the same however there is no way jobs with utility should be on par with jobs with no utility that would not be fair at all
We can agree that RM needs a buff in the dmg department because it is kind of sad

Even if it's not entirely on par with the highest damage jobs it should be doing better than it currently is. In SB according to FFlogs I was doing really well with my damage balanced with the other remaining DPS classes whilst the more stronger ones like BLM and SAM were at the very top. In ShB however it's barely better than the tanks at the bottom of the list, this is how sore it is. I'm choking up putting away my RDM garments because it was an ideal job for me that wasn't too overcomplicated and looking to alternative jobs, but I feel I'm being forced now into pushing for doing top DPS if I want to raid and it's becoming immensely stressful and isn't how I wanted to enjoy the game. I thought SE was against idolizing jobs as meta.