Vote Kick griefing

[AniKai]

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.

TBH, if I see healer doing damage AND keeping me (and everyone else alive while at it), it's a bonus, but it's not their job though - if they do damage, that's ok (as long as they don't get anyone killed because of neglecting their REAL JOB). Aside that tho, as a tank, if healer feels confident enough to do dps willy nilly while everyone stays alive, it kinda makes me feel that I'm doing my part right by not having to be healed 24/7 and then some.

[Nixxe]

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.

The point is more that it's such a vague statement that it's tantamount to SE telling us they're taking a really hands off approach to vote dismiss, so for all intents and purposes anything goes as long as you aren't a jerk about it.

[Barraind]

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did

This is laughably untrue.

Its pretty easy to tell exactly who is pulling their weight in a dungeon based on dots and debuffs on the mobs and cast bars. Also knowing roughly what each class provides damage-wise and how slow things are dying relative to that.

Here's a hint: If you dont see healer dots on anything or the healer casting damage abilities when you're not in danger of dying, theyre not pulling their weight.

[Ardox]

Nah.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628






Additionally, the OP in that thread contains the response from the GM establishing that playstyle differences are a valid kick reason. The only thing that constitutes griefing, at least as far as vote dismiss goes, is using it to prevent someone from completing content.



If people disagree with SE's policy, by all means do so, but what's permitted is pretty well settled. If you want to argue it further, you're gonna have to convince SE that you know more about what they meant than they did.

1) The post you quote says clearly [the meaning] was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. In this context it means people in the thread overblown the meaning of kicking for 'different playstyle'.
2) The post you quote clarify you can kick someone for the refusal to fulfill one's job function. E.I.: refusing to tank as a tank, refusing to heal as a healer, refusing to play, etc.
3) Read the policy before affirming something: There's no pass on kicking someone for not playing a class optimally, but there's close for abusing the kick function.

On a side note: this thread date from 2014, went they had a "intervene the less possible" policy, policy that changed last year

[BatLW]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

If something like this happens in a LAN party, you get kicked for being a douche - from the LAN party.

Just because you recently left WoW and came to FF XIV doesn't mean you gotta bring your toxic gaming behavior too.

[Nixxe]

1) The post you quote says clearly [the meaning] was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. In this context it means people in the thread overblown the meaning of kicking for 'different playstyle'.
2) The post you quote clarify you can kick someone for the refusal to fulfill one's job function. E.I.: refusing to tank as a tank, refusing to heal as a healer, refusing to play, etc.
3) Read the policy before affirming something: There's no pass on kicking someone for not playing a class optimally, but there's close for abusing the kick function.

On a side note: this thread date from 2014, went they had a "intervene the less possible" policy, policy that changed last year

This is entirely wishful thinking on your part and has no bearing on reality.

One point I specifically want to touch on is that the policy change last year didn't actually change anything with respect to vote dismiss. It's the same policy outlined in the GM's response that I linked, just worded slightly differently.

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

If something like this happens in a LAN party, you get kicked for being a douche - from the LAN party.

Just because you recently left WoW and came to FF XIV doesn't mean you gotta bring your toxic gaming behavior too.

You seem fairly toxic yourself. Probs take a chill pill or three, m8.

[Ardox]

This is entirely wishful thinking on your part and has no bearing on reality.

One point I specifically want to touch on is that the policy change last year didn't actually change anything with respect to vote dismiss. It's the same policy outlined in the GM's response that I linked, just worded slightly differently.

So you give me to give you the big bad NO U treatment?

[Sartharina]

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

[Vahlnir]

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

A kick at any point of a dungeon could be considered that. What it comes down to really is the circumstances which we don't know a whole lot about in the OP's case. Whether they deserved it or not is up for debate. First impressions though? I would say no, they did not, based solely on the information we were given. There is always 2 sides to every story though.

[HyoMinPark]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

If something like this happens in a LAN party, you get kicked for being a douche - from the LAN party.

Just because you recently left WoW and came to FF XIV doesn't mean you gotta bring your toxic gaming behavior too.

Never played WoW. However, it's not like the dungeons hit hard enough to warrant 100% healing time and 0% DPS time. Healer DPS is mitigation: things die faster and the tank takes less damage for it in the long run. Casting Holy on a pack of trash to stun them for ~7 seconds is infinitely more useful than spamming Cure I while the tank is at 95% HP.

No other role is allowed to stand around not doing anything half the time. Never understood the mentality that healers are a special exception. As long as they keep people alive, there's no reason for them to not DPS.


EDIT: Wow. I just saw your negative comments concerning Japan being a country that enjoys bullying people. Given that and how you stated you wanted names of the players responsible so that you could give them a piece of your mind... Somehow, I don't think the pro-healer DPS crowd are the toxic elitists in this thread.