If SCH got Energy Drain back, why not do the same for WHMs?

[EaMett]

There a reason why lilies are used on healing skills only. It's because of how the misery potency lines up with other healers using an ogcd. Basically the potency value of rapture and solace is 225. That's 75 less than glare. This lines up perfectly with the fact that oGCDs also have a cost of about 80 ish potency. This basically means that WHM's "cost" of healing with afflatus is equal to the cost of healing for the other healers. Adding any form of extra potency skill on the lily system would skew it completely as that would mean that healing for WHM is actually a DPS gain so long as you use one dps lily out of the three. This would be terribly broken and also make the whole mechanic lose it's fun factor. Since right now it's a blancing act between using it to heal and using it to weave. That balancing act disapears the second you give WHM a dps lily skill.

With that said I've been an advocate for returning potency on fluid aura (with the 30s cooldown). WHM currently still lacks a dps ogcd and that would be a great way to add to the gameplay. If they could do that and fix the ruin II potency + fairy bugs on sch that would be two healers down and AST to go

[Archwizard]

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I mean, they have Assize.

But to be clear here, you're FOR WHMs gaining an oGCD water attack on a 30 sec CD, but NOT for it costing a shared resource because that would... be too powerful...?

[Sebazy]

I'm not sure where in my post I gave the impression I wanted the lily heals to be oGCD.

It's a suggestion that comes up frequently in these discussions and was mentioned earlier in the thread, so that's the tangent I went with. Personally, I'm actually really quite happy with the Lily system as is TBH.

And yeah, being able to weave lily usage on the back of GCD instants would actually be quite impactful in fluff and casual content.

[TankHunter678]

Why not create a lily spender, with a decent cooldown on it, that gives a buff to the targeted ally and grants them a one hit wonder shield that can block a tremendous amount of damage? Basically it would be like a WHM version of TBN... it only lasts for 1 hit so it takes some skill in timing to get the most out of it.

I mean WHM could use some more raid utility, and raid utility does not have to be damage based. One of my old ideas was to give WHM 2 abilities a ST one and a Party one that functioned by negating the next hit the buffed person would take but would only last for that single hit. Basing the idea off of the various earth based shields found in Falcom's Legend of Heroes Series games like Trails of Cold Steel and Trails in the Sky. While WHM would not bring raid damage output buffs it would make WHM attractive for mechanic cheesing. While still letting WHM DPS and healing be very selfish.

[Archwizard]

Why not create a lily spender, with a decent cooldown on it, that gives a buff to the targeted ally and grants them a one hit wonder shield that can block a tremendous amount of damage?

So... a second Divine Benison?

[Brandedblade]

So... a second Divine Benison?

I think what they're thinking of is something akin to "The next hit the target takes is reduced by 80%" which I just see that as "oh the auto-attack ate it" at worst and "saves a tank invuln in some settings" at best.

[Mhaeric]

Temperance is visually lazy. I hate it so much. Give me actual wings, not a recoloured and resized magicked prism effect. What it does is okay but nobody really notices when the wings come out.

Scholars with fairy envy do.

That visual is what Dissipation should have received, tbh. We're absorbing Eos/Selene's essence into ourselves for a time, so giving us wings then would have been perfect.

[Shurrikhan]

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WHM here. It's very unlikely in any remotely serious content that you and your co-healer would go more than 30 seconds without need for a single GCD heal. As you have zero cost to your filler dps for casting said heal, if the need is limited to roughly twice per minute, then that should be you casting it, while your cohealer keeps on dpsing. And honestly that's enough.

And once you're outside of serious content, such as in a dungeon, if you'd otherwise overcap before having need of a Lily, you just use it during downtime between pulls (or, during jumps, if such occurs). Unlike the old system, ShB Lilies don't require combat to proc a stack. You can run into combat having prepped 450n AoE and a further 450 against the main target. That's not bad value at all.

I don't think WHM needs a Lilly dump, rather I'd give it the ability to weave lilly healing between casts by making Afflatus Rapture and Solace into oGCDs.

And gods, no, do not do this. Maximized, you have a minimum of 6.66 oGCDs per minute (Assize twice per three minutes, two Assylum per three minutes, Thin Air once every other, LD, Tetra, Benedict twice per minutes, and Benediction once per three minutes), while having to compensate not only for the lulls in that average, but the bursts. These will in pairs require a Regen, Dia, or an Afflatus spell to cast without clipping, and trading Lily power and overall damage and healing potential to make Afflatus spells oGCD would only make clipping issues far, far worse. That or, in place of the obvious balance requirements, this guy is just asking to make WHM-WHM the standard meta. That's an extra 600 potency per minute on the job that already provides the easiest, most consistent healing and the most rDPS (yes, its sheer gap in pDPS outperforms what is provided by Cards, FW, or CS).

[Miziliti]

I like the lily dump idea. I sometimes shamelessly wasted an Afflatus Rapture to fully bloom my blood lily fast just so I can use misery. A regen type of afflatus spell would be perfect when not much healing is needed.

[CorbinDallas]

I just want Temperance to apply the damage reduction instantly like Passage of Arms/Sacred Soil, instead of being slave to the server tick.