Alliance Roulette problem

[AngeliouxRein]

@Vaer @Kaethra

Sigh, you both are probably right. Honestly, I am just becoming saltier every time I do that roulette and get one of the Crystal Towers. I have literally gotten to the point where I just leave if I see any of those three and usually end up queuing up for the lvl 70 ones out of rage xD. My desperation to get something other than Crystal Tower has hit its peak and I just really wish something can be done to change this. Can't wait for lvl 80 raids...

[ForteNightshade]

Oh but it's easier to call people free loaders and bad players than to accept the fact that most do the roulettes and expect them to be done quick and efficiently. That isn't going to be the case with the higher level raids especially Orbonne and as you point out it's why many elect to not have to deal with it.

Personally I call the people who do it SMART and in my book they certainly are.

After all is said and done Alliance doesn't yield all that much experience to have to spend over an hour trying to get it done.

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again? While the experience is meant to incentivize people, the actual reason Alliance Roulette was implemented was to help players with queue times. Admittedly, they should add an additional bonus for the higher level raids to better account for the time difference it takes completing them. Either way, this is a hypocritical stance for those defending the MSQ change. After all, people who want the old MSQ Roulette back also want "it to be done quick and efficiently."

[LaylaTsarra]

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again?

Actually had 4 people leave Castrum today upon my spawn in because they wanted Praetorium . You know why because the rewards are much better for that duty than for the other one. Perhaps SE needs to make the rewards worth the effort for Alliance and people won't mind dealing with the wipes and added time to run the higher level duties.

As it stands right now it's a pretty common thing for people to de ilevel so until SE makes the duty worth the effort they'll continue to do it.

The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you.

Totally agree... if SE can adjust the experience earned for Castrum versus Pratoerium it would seem they could do the same thing for Orbonne as opposed to Crystal Tower and you might actually get people hoping for the higher level duties instead.

[MajinSoul]

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again? While the experience is meant to incentivize people, the actual reason Alliance Roulette was implemented was to help players with queue times. Admittedly, they should add an additional bonus for the higher level raids to better account for the time difference it takes completing them. Either way, this is a hypocritical stance for those defending the MSQ change. After all, people who want the old MSQ Roulette back also want "it to be done quick and efficiently."

Nope. MSQ Roulette rewards you for the time investement. Lots of tomestomes + insane XP for the amount of time invested. Meanwhile alliance roulette does not reward you for spending twice the amount of time in Orbonne compared to LotA (or more if your party is bad). The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you. But that's not what the average player is going for especially in a game where you have to pay to play.

People advocating for cutscene skips in MSQ are as delusional as the people advocating for reducing rewards for LotA in alliance roulette. All this will do is push players away from those roulettes since it's not worth investing their time into those and the queue times for those who need to find parties in order to clear the dungeon/raid will rise.

[Awful]

@Vaer @Kaethra

Sigh, you both are probably right. Honestly, I am just becoming saltier every time I do that roulette and get one of the Crystal Towers. I have literally gotten to the point where I just leave if I see any of those three and usually end up queuing up for the lvl 70 ones out of rage xD. My desperation to get something other than Crystal Tower has hit its peak and I just really wish something can be done to change this. Can't wait for lvl 80 raids...

I hear you I'm tired of CT in general everytime I que, I ended up getting Orobonne Monastery today we only had 1 wipe on Cid of course, but the whole run only took 27 mins, was pretty nice and a great switch up from the usual 50 faceroll that CT is.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm loving the assumption some posters are making that basically imply that those of us who reduce our ilvl are crap at the game and don't want a challenge. News flash, no 24 man raid is challenging, they're all braindead. The "difficulty" is in the unknown skill level of the other alliances who can't press buttons in the right order, or stand where they are supposed to, and cause you to waste 2 hours of your time wiping to Cid in 2 separate instances before calling it quits.

I would love to be able to run Orbonne, I really would, but the sudden decline in average player quality since Shadowbringers released has made it incredibly unlikely.

That's actually the challenge of almost everything in the game. If you know mechanics, nothing in this game is really challenging. The challenge is pulling it off with randoms. It sounds more like you don't want a challenge and just want easy clears.

[AriaEnia]

Meanwhile I still haven't unlocked Orbonne Monastery.

[CorbinDallas]

That's actually the challenge of almost everything in the game. If you know mechanics, nothing in this game is really challenging. The challenge is pulling it off with randoms. It sounds more like you don't want a challenge and just want easy clears.

There's a very big difference between challenging and beating your head against a brick wall. Have you actually been in a failing Orbonne on a data centre where there are 3 main languages? If another alliance is a considerable weak link there literally isn't anything you can do about it, doubly so for mechanics like Duskblade and Shadowblade.

You try to communicate and it's met with the usual ignorance and/or new player what ifs. You place waymarks only for idiots to remove them because it's so funny ecks dee. You get people who immediately pull before anyone can regroup, etc. It isn't challenging, it's pointless.

[Brightamethyst]

Nope. MSQ Roulette rewards you for the time investement. Lots of tomestomes + insane XP for the amount of time invested. Meanwhile alliance roulette does not reward you for spending twice the amount of time in Orbonne compared to LotA (or more if your party is bad). The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you. But that's not what the average player is going for especially in a game where you have to pay to play.

This. Orbonne can easily take twice as long as LotA. That would be fine if it gave twice as much exp or twice as many tomes, but it doesn't. What's the incentive to risk a 45 minute Orbonne or Dun Scaith when you could do a 20 minute CT for the same reward?

[UnrealTai]

Problem is SEs lack of treatment for xp/hr in one vs the other, you cant really blame players for wanting the most and doing this. You can however blame SE for not balancing out xp gain in higher ilvl content to be more.

I wouldnt say the players need to be punished or this changed unless xp gain in higher ones match, this is on SE.
And no I dont do this, didnt even hear about it til this week in limsa reading someones chat, i still dont think its anyones fault but SE