The idea that we need to DPS must go.

[Sylve]

5- Oh, and if we followed your no-dps mindset we still wouldn't have won that fight.

So tell your DPS to stop slacking, lol.
Yoshi-P has already stated that they tune raids with 0 healer DPS. Meaning if it was your healer DPS that got you through the fight, Your DPS need to get better. Tanks too.

Theres always times we can fling Damage around. The problem with this community is that they took that extra DPS a Healer was doing out of boredom and decided it was now expected for Healers to DPS above all else.
The Devs misstep in Alexander certainly didn't help that mindset, but they've been staunchly against balancing encounters that way since.

BTW, fun fact. Healer dps is as simple as it is because we interrupt it all the damn time in order to heal the Party. Maintaining the DoT aside, we basically either do full DPS or no DPS. No weird middle ground as we awkwardly put up multiple DoTs before getting back to the nukes like it used to be.
Its better this way, as it encourages those who typically wouldn't use their DPS as much to slide them in. As they slide them in, they get more comfortable with it and start doing it more.
Of course, you'll always have your outliers that simply refuse to cast a damage spell ever, But since the encounter design had those kinds of Healers in mind anyway, its no skin off my back.

The end result is that all my Eden runs are solo heal funtimes because the co-healer is too busy being Green DPS to do their damn job.

[EaMett]

So tell your DPS to stop slacking, lol.
Yoshi-P has already stated that they tune raids with 0 healer DPS. Meaning if it was your healer DPS that got you through the fight, Your DPS need to get better. Tanks too.

At ilvl for that content. Not min ilvl. No way are you clearing titan this week without healer dps, even if everyone in your party is 100 percentile you would still be short multiple k dps. That's considering ALL your dps do 14K AND both your tanks do 8K.. You would still be short something like 3k dps.
How long do you think you need to wait for everyone to be geared enough in order for your average dps to pull 14k and average tank to pull 8k? Answer is a while (I'd be surprised if that even were a thing at all this tier). You'll never clear without healer dps because you're either 1) in a party of people who can't pull those numbers and you don't clear 2) in a party of players who pull those numbers and they kick you because they're tired of you sitting there doing nothing for 70+% of the fight.

So even if SE put a party together to test 0 healer DPS, geared them appropriately (not min ilvl) and they managed to clear, that has absolutely no bearing on real life since anyone good enough to make that happen would require their healers to dps, and anyone not good enough would need their healers to dps.
Bottom line is, healers will need to dps in savage. Claiming otherwise is just deceitful.

PS: I also wouldn't be surprised if the ilvl they test the no healer thing at is the max tier ilvl for said fight. Aka every member has all tomestone/crafted/augmentations available at that fight + potentially weapons from the ex trials that are released during the tier (that we don't currently have access to). Of course this is speculation on my part but looking at the numbers it seems like a fair assessment. That's many weeks (months?) of farming

[Lodi]

So tell your DPS to stop slacking, lol.
Yoshi-P has already stated that they tune raids with 0 healer DPS. Meaning if it was your healer DPS that got you through the fight, Your DPS need to get better. Tanks too.

Sure, I'll just tell my random PF dps to stop slacking and they'll instantly learn their rotation better and increase their gcd uptime to 100%, even if they are exhausted after four hours of mechanics practice!


Joking aside, the 0 healer dps can't be true. You'd need to always find top-tier players to clear content without healer dps.
We have a braindead rotation that packs a punch at the cost of zero effort and 400MP every 2.5s, to not use it would be plain dumb.

Oh, and my tanks were performing decently, too.

[Dogempire]

So tell your DPS to stop slacking, lol.
Yoshi-P has already stated that they tune raids with 0 healer DPS. Meaning if it was your healer DPS that got you through the fight, Your DPS need to get better. Tanks too.

Yes, because an orange or purple parse player wants to put so much effort into making sure their rotation is as good as possible for the encounter just so the healer can neglect their damage rotation which is literally 2 buttons and so easy a donkey could do it.

Let's hit enrage several times because we only managed to get the boss to 1% hp and we could have cleared it if our dps timed their burst windows with raid buffs better.

Or you could stop being so lazy and actually contribute and not have 6 party members to play at 120% while worrying about mechanics just so the healers can play at 20% and stand around all the time.

Just a thought