I thought Yoshi wants healer to focus on healing only..

[Misutoraru]

So a fail game design
high end fight that have healer dps into account, meaning dev cant output too much damage received by the party, making less challenge content healing become a green dps where we spend more than 50% of our time dps.
When healer DPS ppl say it is not using the full kit, now the dev just turn it into the other extend, we barely using our GCD heal in any non top tier fight

[HyoMinPark]

So a fail game design
high end fight that have healer dps into account, meaning dev cant output too much damage received by the party, making less challenge content healing become a green dps where we spend more than 50% of our time dps.
When healer DPS ppl say it is not using the full kit, now the dev just turn it into the other extend, we barely using our GCD heal in any non top tier fight

It’s Week 1 Savage. That’s not a failure in game design. Yoshida has said in the past that players who attempt early Savage clears will have to rely on their healers contributing because the party does not have the cushion of better gear to push numbers. As for Ultimate, the design requiring healer DPS was intentional. It’s the hardest content in the game. Sorry that you can’t skate by doing only 50%, I guess?

While more outgoing damage would be welcome by the good healers, those who are not good healers would just complain that “content hits too hard now” and “needs to be nerfed”. This song has been sung repeatedly throughout this game’s existence.

[Hash_Browns]

So a fail game design
high end fight that have healer dps into account, meaning dev cant output too much damage received by the party, making less challenge content healing become a green dps where we spend more than 50% of our time dps.
When healer DPS ppl say it is not using the full kit, now the dev just turn it into the other extend, we barely using our GCD heal in any non top tier fight

In the high end fights, making a mistake isn't going to get you healed - it's going to kill you or the party. Healing is only used for unavoidable damage in Savage content.

[Misutoraru]

In the high end fights, making a mistake isn't going to get you healed - it's going to kill you or the party. Healing is only used for unavoidable damage in Savage content.

then i think the game design have some fundamental issue
shouldn't a healer there to make room for player making mistake, not a lot and not the serious one of cause
but if Healer is only needed in those raid wide damage, arent it a bit boring, just like playing a rhythm game, you memorize the whole fight, and push the right button at the right time, zero dynamic

[Raven2014]

then i think the game design have some fundamental issue
shouldn't a healer there to make room for player making mistake, not a lot and not the serious one of cause
but if Healer is only needed in those raid wide damage, arent it a bit boring, just like playing a rhythm game, you memorize the whole fight, and push the right button at the right time, zero dynamic

Or you know ... just accept the fact that the design of this game is different than other MMO? It's not a flaw because you don't like, it's not a flaw because "other MMO doesn't do it this way!".

I for once love this design philosophy. It requires people to be mindful of things outside of their role, instead of being just a single-minded job.

[Misutoraru]

Or you know ... just accept the fact that the design of this game is different than other MMO? It's not a flaw because you don't like, it's not a flaw because "other MMO doesn't do it this way!".

I for once love this design philosophy. It requires people to be mindful of things outside of their role, instead of being just a single-minded job.

All fights in FFXIV are scripted.
All bosses will throw out mechanics in the exact same order, with the only exception being enrage timers triggering early due to slow add kills

it wasnt like it back in 2.0, Benediction have a holy 300s CD, only that + regen + Cure II (not too sure on it) is oGCD
we have stone skin, protect and we work very well with SCH
during that time even Titan HM can kill you if slightly undergear (HP pool not large enough)
only when the powercreep with il sync being so high, and more more short CD but high potency oGCD everysingle expansion
and wanting a heal focus does not mean 100% heal
there are some middle ground in this "should healer dps" drama, I am not against heal DPS when there is downtime
I am just saying I like to see we revert back abit so we arent spending more time on dps than heal.
I want healing focus just mean more time actually healing like shifting to 70% heal and 30% dps...etc
yeah may be i am some old skool, but ARR WHM is what i attached to, and now it change to something very different, just like those player who enjoy HW DRK more than any expansion.
I am not asking to completely going back to ARR style, but something slightly more majority of uptime in healing and some downtime to dps style of game play. Or make good use of buff and debuff, AST have strong potential in becoming buffing healer...etc

[Raven2014]

it wasnt like it back in 2.0, Benediction have a holy 300s CD, only that + regen + Cure II (not too sure on it) is oGCD

Not really, it's more like people haven't caught on the design different. I was a top ten US raid healer in WoW at the time I quit and switch to FF14. Joint an FC static and worked through coil, but my mindset was strictly a "healer only heal". Of course I immidiately noticed how little healing going out in this game. In WoW (or other MMO) there are always a constant ambient damage that needs constant heal, tanks constantly needed to be top off so they don't die to the mechanic. FF14's fight is designed with no consistent damage, but come in wave. Also, the healing potency in FF14 has always been massive in relative to the HP pools, meaning it takes less time to top someone off. So in between there is no other thing for healer to do.

Back then, when there is no healing, I cast SS on every one, and even then I still ran out of thing to do. I remember when the tank and DPS was working on the boss, I was doing emote/dance/ran around the arena "waiting" for the next mechanic to happen so I have something to heal again. And no one said anything, the thought of "maybe I should DPS with this much free time" didn't even cross my mind, and it seems didn't cross the mind of anyone else either. We were all above average so to speak, but it's little wonder why we can only clear the 3rd phase of each tier once we were stacked on gears, and even with echo, we still barely meet the enrage of the final phase. Thinking back, it's probably because the 2 healers did zero DPS, and the tanks probably didn't focus too much on DPS either. So what I am saying here is that the "design" of the content hasn't really changed since 2.0.

Alex kinda pushed healer's DPS into the spotlight, and even though it was the result of the fights were overturned, it also made people aware that "healer DPS can be a thing". In another word, what you remember wasn't a difference in design, but rather back in 2.0 the majority of the players simply hadn't caught on and played the game sub-optimally.

[Hash_Browns]

then i think the game design have some fundamental issue
shouldn't a healer there to make room for player making mistake, not a lot and not the serious one of cause
but if Healer is only needed in those raid wide damage, arent it a bit boring, just like playing a rhythm game, you memorize the whole fight, and push the right button at the right time, zero dynamic

All fights in FFXIV are scripted.
All bosses will throw out mechanics in the exact same order, with the only exception being enrage timers triggering early due to slow add kills