Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
"Get gud" doesn't work here when a bunch of DPS can't even reach the DPS needed for E4S if we don't factor in healer damage. AS in the classes just aren't strong enough to get passed the enrage timer.

If you want to beat the Savage enrage timers currently, either healers need to DPS, AND be good at it - or DPS all need to be BLM/DRG/Monk
Actually that is precisely why "Get gud" applies. Bleeding edge content with minimal gear will take the full party doing everything possible to clear.

The problem isn't in the bleeding edge content, its in the normal day to day content. Which is pretty easy to surpass that bare minimum clear threshold to where the healers dps should not be necessary, yet if you go browse the tales from the DF thread you will find plenty of examples of groups that struggle to hit that point and the only real reason they clear is most dungeon bosses don't have an enrage+wipe mechanic. One of my personal favorite examples is a group that had Aenc Thon transform twice.