Alliance Raid Roulette Needs adjustments

[AnimaAnimus]

Ever consider playing for oh, I don't know fun.

Your fun and my fun may not be the same. Your fun and what SE wants to implement for fun may not be the same.

If you want to make a game that is strictly 100% your idea of fun, might I suggest you enroll at a university that has a great game development program, graduate, then put a plan together along with a proof of concept demo, shop it around to various companies and investors and find the one that will allow you, without any interference from them, to make a game that is exactly what you deem fun, then try to maintain that game's active subscription base for over 10 years while putting in a plethora of new content every 3 months along with upgrading every existing piece of content every 3 months to keep everything aligned.

Then we can chat.

[RMA209]

Why it needs a rework. Make them all the same time and challenge investment of the player that plays it. Crystal Tower,as said, is to ez next to others in the same roulette. If they can rework some old stuff this should also be an option. They brought back the frontlines with its roulette and rules. I never said make it hard. Just add in more of it. The higher item level took away the experience. Why cant they work on this roulette too?

[gaymer77]

Why it needs a rework. Make them all the same time and challenge investment of the player that plays it. Crystal Tower,as said, is to ez next to others in the same roulette. If they can rework some old stuff this should also be an option. They brought back the frontlines with its roulette and rules. I never said make it hard. Just add in more of it. The higher item level took away the experience. Why cant they work on this roulette too?

Again you are failing to understand that old content is simply OLD CONTENT. Why should or would a developer keep pushing, updating, and regulating old dungeons/raids in old content if they aren't worth the time? Why would developers push players to continue to play old content instead of going into and playing NEW CONTENT they just released? Just because YOU want to see old content made more difficult doesn't mean you are the majority. In fact, you are in a very small percentage of the player base (I'd estimate less than 0.5% of the players agree with you).

To make a comparison for those who came from WoW I'll say this. Why would Blizzard push players to run Deadmines, Ragefire Chasm, or Molten Core at max level and continue to make updates to those dungeons & raids 15 years after the game was released just to satisfy a player base of less than 1/2 a percent? Answer is they wouldn't. They would push for players to run max level or current content instead and if they want to run those old things for transmog (aka glamour in FF14) then they can do it quickly because the player over gears the place.

[RMA209]

Again you are failing to understand that old content is simply OLD CONTENT. Why should or would a developer keep pushing, updating, and regulating old dungeons/raids in old content if they aren't worth the time? Why would developers push players to continue to play old content instead of going into and playing NEW CONTENT they just released?

How about when Crystal Tower was played for the Heavensward relic? Plus its still in the lore. The development team said people should do it before playing the shadowbringers msq. Many play these levels every day. I don't want them changed at all. I'm only saying that a lower max item level would help out. They did it on many of the level 50 dungeons. They could do it. I know i'm not alone. They took the time to take out a tank spot and make it a dps. There not a required dungeon but Crystal Tower Story being missed will not make shadowbringers as god for some. Crystal Tower wont be as good if the dungeons and people in them are un-fun. Most of the time I go people don't even stop for the cs in dun Scaith or Syrcus Tower.

[gaymer77]

How about when Crystal Tower was played for the Heavensward relic? Plus its still in the lore. The development team said people should do it before playing the shadowbringers msq. Many play these levels every day. I don't want them changed at all. I'm only saying that a lower max item level would help out. They did it on many of the level 50 dungeons. They could do it. I know i'm not alone. They took the time to take out a tank spot and make it a dps. There not a required dungeon but Crystal Tower Story being missed will not make shadowbringers as god for some. Crystal Tower wont be as good if the dungeons and people in them are un-fun. Most of the time I go people don't even stop for the cs in dun Scaith or Syrcus Tower.

They said you should run it before Shadowbringers because of the lore that comes to Shadowbringers (current content) from Crystal Tower. They didn't say that people should run it because of the CHALLENGE it brings to the table or should bring to the table. It is not uncommon for games to take content/stories/lore from previous expansions (or other games in their franchise) and they have a major impact on CURRENT content. They removed a tank spot and put in a dps spot instead because the need for that extra tank wasn't there. Again you are missing the fact that you're talking about OPTIONAL content. So to sum it up, you want to take OPTIONAL content from a PRIOR EXPANSION and make it MORE DIFFICULT simply because YOU feel it should be harder. Do you not see the absurdity in that statement?

[RMA209]

How about the fact that the game costs $20. If a person buys the game and pays sub then it should be worth it. I contend that the story are not enough to warrant a play through of this side quest. If we did not have Shadowbringers as a thing I would recommend people skip this all together.

[ForteNightshade]

And just like that, with your reply you completely disregard the point I was making. Crystal Tower isn't MSL questing. It is 100% optional. If they made it more difficult people would not even bother unlocking it on other characters. Its in the daily roulette because people who are on the quests for it would never see the quest completed unless they were to manually find a group for it. Snowcloak is MSL unlocked which is a good reason why you are seeing it in the daily roulette. Both Labyrinth & Syrcus are blue+ quests that are 100% optional. Hell even Orbonne Monastery is optional because its not a MSL unlock. You are focused too much on the ease or difficulty of old expansion content and for whatever reason you feel that old expansion content should be more difficult now than it is. Quite frankly, if old content were more difficult you wouldn't see as many people doing it because the rewards just aren't there. The only reason why people who are in the Shadowbringers expansions or straight up level 80 do old content is for glamour and tomes. Level 80 players don't need exp. The exp gained from old content doesn't give you much for anyone outside the level range that the dungeon/raid is appropriate for other than the BONUS exp given for completing the dungeon.

Ehh, not entirely. People will still run Alliance Roulette for the experience. So if they were to, theoretically, make any one of the 24 mans harder. It wouldn't make too much of a difference. With that said, "harder" is subjective. None of them were ever truly difficult despite how much we meme on Weeping City. I do think they should sync us to either the ilvl of the gear that drops or the highest ilvl obtainable when the 24 man was relevant. In the case of Weeping City, this would either be i230 or i240. That isn't going to impact much at all, really. It would, however, allow the raids to at least feel like themselves. I dread Alliance Roulette nowadays because I am so damn tired of Yawn of the Ancients and Syrcus Snore. They're boring because we're so overpowered everything explodes.

Frankly, I am of the opinion this constant easing of older content is what contributes to the game having a plethora of bad players. Until you reach the newest expansion, almost every piece of content is a complete and utter joke. Once again, you don't have to make them hard. Just keep them close enough to their once relevant ilvl and I think things would stay exactly the same. Except Crystal Tower may actually be fun for once.

[TaiyoShikasu]

What if Alliance Roulette adjustments, but it's to make it an actual roulette instead of just Labyrinth of the Ancients, but with relevant tomes?

[RMA209]

right, As I said. Put them more on the same level with each other. All 9 of them. Tho when 5.0 was out I got more at 60 due to dancer and gnb.

[Stepjam]

I don't think any modifications need to be made to alliance roulette.

That said, if they added a ilvl sync'd alliance raid roulette, I'd be all over that.