WHM going to become black sheep of healers again

[WaxSw]

you didn't get my point, im angry cause WHM got nothing again, im angry cause ppls bitching that WHM is OP when he is not (this will lead to nerf soon), im angry cause if SE keep buffing other 2 healers than whm that WHM will be forgetten unwanted healer again

I don't want to play scholar again like I do in SB cause whm was crap in there days ... and I hate to play astro, also im angry cause we didn't get 4th healer class (didn't post it here)

that all anger exploded in me and made this thread ...

Whm didnt get anything because it doesnt need it, Sch's kit without energy drain was a mess and ast was underpowered, those were neccesary changes and most of the things like sch's dps reaching whm levels is simply not true. If you need to change jobs because no one wants your whm in a static is your own problem, balance has to happen and as it was in 5.0 healers were clearly not balanced, and no,sch getting back ED doesnt make it Op in any way.

[galbsadi]

Don't you DARE try to touch WHM. I'm worried for 5.1 and will enjoy it as is for as long as I can.

Nobody's touching WHM. It's in a good spot, and hopefully they keep it pretty much like it is now. It plays well, is fun, and puts out good numbers. SE did a fantastic job here, and that's why the vast majority of what you see related to that class is praise.

I don't think they'll change WHM in 5.1 either. However, given how they like to gut strong healers in new expansions, there may be some cause for concern in 6.0...but if history shows anything, that'll hopefully be fixed by 6.05 if it is.

[Videra]

you didn't get my point, im angry cause WHM got nothing again, im angry cause ppls bitching that WHM is OP when he is not (this will lead to nerf soon), im angry cause if SE keep buffing other 2 healers than whm that WHM will be forgetten unwanted healer again

I don't want to play scholar again like I do in SB cause whm was crap in there days ... and I hate to play astro, also im angry cause we didn't get 4th healer class (didn't post it here)

that all anger exploded in me and made this thread ...

WHM doesn't need anything. White Mage is in a good, even great, state right now. And you don't have to play Scholar or AST if they overtake White Mage, because it doesn't fucking matter if one contributes 200 more DPS. White Mage was not crap in Stormblood, it was perfectly acceptable and good at performing its given role. Here's the thing - this isn't WoW, where Frost DK couldn't even perform their basic task of DPS at the start of legion. Huge gaps like that very rarely exist in this game, and White Mage decidedly did not suffer from a gap like that in SB.

If your static wanted you to switch to AST/SCH for speed kills, that's on them. But you were not being forced by anyone but yourself to not play your favourite class, otherwise.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

Ya know, I'm worried too, but when I noticed who the OP was, this is all I have to say:

That schadenfreude doesn't taste so good anymore, does it?

The glee you showed in SCH and AST playing like garbage displays you in no way want to move WHM up to where HW or StB SCH/AST were, you just want to be ruler of the tedious healer molehill.

[Yuyuka3]

Nobody's touching WHM. It's in a good spot, and hopefully they keep it pretty much like it is now. It plays well, is fun, and puts out good numbers. SE did a fantastic job here, and that's why the vast majority of what you see related to that class is praise.

I don't think they'll change WHM in 5.1 either. However, given how they like to gut strong healers in new expansions, there may be some cause for concern in 6.0...but if history shows anything, that'll hopefully be fixed by 6.05 if it is.

So I guess AST and SCH were in a horrible spot last expansion, then, and for the entire time, seeing how often they got buffed? Despite being on every single party in the case of SCH, and most of them in the case of AST?

This argument is so dumb it hurts. Like it or not, there are issues with WHM gameplay, and we have every frigging right in the world to want them fixed. Issues that have been there for ages now and never been addressed, unless SCH and AST who get everything they ever wanted and then some.
It got nothing to do with WHM being 'fine' right now that they didn't get anything, and everything with the devs being completely oblivious about what WHM needs. Will you still claim WHM is fine when it falls behind AGAIN due to not getting any love at all, while AST and SCH get buffs after buffs after buffs? Because that's what I'm expecting to happen, seeing SE's track record with healers.

[Dynia]

Ya know, I'm worried too, but when I noticed who the OP was, this is all I have to say:

That schadenfreude doesn't taste so good anymore, does it?

The glee you showed in SCH and AST playing like garbage displays you in no way want to move WHM up to where HW or StB SCH/AST were, you just want to be ruler of the tedious healer molehill.

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Jun 2019

you have no idea how much WHM suffered in HW are you ?
you have no idea how WHM was bad in HW are you ?

my whole point for this thread that I don't want to keep history repeat itself like it was in HW and 3/4 SB
I don't want to my fav healer class to be black sheep of healers again

and yes I played all 3 healers before ...

[TheRealQuah]

Join Date
Jun 2019

you have no idea how much WHM suffered in HW are you ?
you have no idea how WHM was bad in HW are you ?

my whole point for this thread that I don't want to keep history repeat itself like it was in HW and 3/4 SB
I don't want to my fav healer class to be black sheep of healers again

and yes I played all 3 healers before ...

WHM was never "crap" like you keep saying. Just slightly worse than the other 2. And they have never ever been excluded from raiding. In fact, over the past few years there's probably been more WHM in raids than the others.

[Billythepancake]

WHM was never "crap" like you keep saying. Just slightly worse than the other 2. And they have never ever been excluded from raiding. In fact, over the past few years there's probably been more WHM in raids than the others.

In fairness, in meta teams WHM wasnt allowed only SCH/AST, but, in my experience, the only times I saw meta enforced was in parse runs and whenever hardcore statics were recruiting. Most teams honestly didnt care if they had a WHM/SCH, SCH/AST, or even WHM/AST. IMO everyone is freaking out, treating meta like it's this evil monster that prevents them from playing their favorite class, when i hardly ever saw it enforced except in hardcore scenarios.

Though, who knows, maybe it happened more than I saw.

[LariaKirin]

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Jun 2019

you have no idea how much WHM suffered in HW are you ?
you have no idea how WHM was bad in HW are you ?

my whole point for this thread that I don't want to keep history repeat itself like it was in HW and 3/4 SB
I don't want to my fav healer class to be black sheep of healers again

and yes I played all 3 healers before ...

Stop it with the victim mentality.

In previous posts you've demonstrated that you have no idea why SCH was considered OP.

WHM was the most popular job by far out of raids. As for raids, WHM was played about as much as AST.

The reason why AST/SCH was considered meta is because of one thing - pure and simple raw DPS potential. If WHM/AST could output 9k and SCH/AST could only output 8.9k , then WHM/AST would be meta.

If your group forced you to play AST/SCH because of the "meta", then your group was either a speedrun group or plain stupid.

[Dynia]

Stop it with the victim mentality.

In previous posts you've demonstrated that you have no idea why SCH was considered OP.

WHM was the most popular job by far out of raids. As for raids, WHM was played about as much as AST.

The reason why AST/SCH was considered meta is because of one thing - pure and simple raw DPS potential. If WHM/AST could output 9k and SCH/AST could only output 8.9k , then WHM/AST would be meta.

If your group forced you to play AST/SCH because of the "meta", then your group was either a speedrun group or plain stupid.

mmm let me see:
- SCH has better personal dps then WHM (little better but still better)
- SCH has better healing kit than WHM (sch was king of healing + barriers that could crit lol)
- SCH has better utility than WHM (whm has 0 utility at all lol)
- SCH has better mana managment than WHM
- SCH has pet - got lot of situations when pet's healing was enough and I was dpsing lol
- WHM got cure II <--- wow
- WHM got cure III <--- never used in HW and in most SB encounters ... (ofc in Shb cure III is more usefull now)

after I tried scholar when i mained WHM since whole HW and begining of SB I NEVER EVER wanted to play WHM again cause it was no point sch was better in everything
I was charmed how SCH was on godly tier there days

and yeah whm was fine ^^