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  1. #71
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by galbsadi View Post

    Strongest healing capability in the game, at least prior to this patch (which didn't affect healing potencies on SCH at all, and where AST was nowhere close.)
    Mostly agreed, but a nitpick here. Strength of healing is more complicated than HPS. WHM has the highest HPS, but it doesn't have the best heals. Off-global heals are (almost) strictly better and more efficient than globals, and WHM has the worst oGCD heals by a fair margin. So while WHM has had the highest HPS ceiling, Scholar (and SB Astro) haa/have been better healers.
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  2. #72
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    Selova's Avatar
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    Veliona Umrtia
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dynia View Post
    WAS, now add energy drain and you will see this dps will be same or just litte lower if they keep buffing like it was in HW or SB WHm will be black sheep again

    im betting my last money they will keep bufing astro and sch in future patches ...

    mark my words
    150 potency that requires aetherflow to cast is still not even gonna bring them close to WHM's personal dps. You do understand that the logic surrounding your entire OP is literally "They can't ever buff the 2 healers because if they do they will outperform WHM". Not only is this a baseless claim, but none of the changes even come close to AST or SCH even coming close to touching WHM. Your entire illogical rant is based purely on hypotheticals with it's basis being "WHM was terrible pre-ShB so if they give any buffs to AST/SCH it's the same thing as making WHM useless again." I shouldn't even have to explain how inane and ridiculous this sounds.
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  3. #73
    Player DawnSolaria's Avatar
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    Dawn Solaria
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    I like how you bitch more about ED when half of the patch note is on AST. Have you ever used ED in SB? The animation looks like a mosquito bite and it's damage hurts like one too. Worry more about the damage buffs changes from AST because thats what will really threaten whm eventually.
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  4. 07-31-2019 10:12 AM

  5. #74
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    Akasha Lightweave
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Yes, but people think WHM could have used a similar DPS ability like Energy Drain to dump lilies on. As it stands now, if you are at 3 lilies and party is at full HP, there is absolutely nothing else to use it on. So it's unfair that SCH gets something like that (again), yet WHM lily gauge is still not in the place it should be and we only have one job gauge (Lily gauge), unlike SCH which has two (Aetherflow and Faerie Gauge).
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  6. #75
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    miraidensetsu's Avatar
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    Luno Belfi
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 100
    I'm happy that S-E didn't looked at Misery and thinked "Hmm... Maybe 900 potency is too much for a healer".
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  7. #76
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    F'iorin Rhiri
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    As a WHM main, I'm telling you right now.
    Stop it.
    I love this lalafell player!
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  8. #77
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalPesto View Post
    literally the entire point behind this thread is "no healer deserves to be buffed to perform even closely to white mage" lol. talk about bias.
    Yeppers! I hereby request this thread should be responded to in Yoda-speak moving forward because I can't take it seriously.

    Drunk, young Dynia, he is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiorinol View Post
    I love this lalafell player!
    Love Exiled_Tonberry, I do. Smart she is.

    Good her screenshots are. Show Your Lalafell look at you must!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Yeah, that's exactly what makes me angry about this. WHM is in a pretty similar boat to SCH (or was...), yet SCH gets the love and WHM is forgotten yet again. It's exactly as it was in the previous two patch cycles, WHM having to wait for every long-overdue fix that normally didn't even really fixed any of the main issues, but stuff that could have waited for fixes a bit longer, while AST and SCH got everything they wanted and then some.

    I don't even want them to give us a DPS Lily dump and leave it at that like they did with SCH. If they are afraid of WHM gainig too much DPS through that, they could, for example, lower Dias ticks by 10 or something. That would even help with movement if done right. I don't want to be op, but jfc do I want to have WHMs issues fixed. Because as it is now, there is no denying that there are situations where Lilies are just plain worthless; just as Aetherflow stacks were.
    Anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.

    Not you look at your bowl and see full it is. Worry you should that others enough they have.
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 07-31-2019 at 05:07 PM.

  9. #78
    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Kyara Moonbane
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Peach64 View Post
    Yes, but people think WHM could have used a similar DPS ability like Energy Drain to dump lilies on. As it stands now, if you are at 3 lilies and party is at full HP, there is absolutely nothing else to use it on. So it's unfair that SCH gets something like that (again), yet WHM lily gauge is still not in the place it should be and we only have one job gauge (Lily gauge), unlike SCH which has two (Aetherflow and Faerie Gauge).
    Yeah, that's exactly what makes me angry about this. WHM is in a pretty similar boat to SCH (or was...), yet SCH gets the love and WHM is forgotten yet again. It's exactly as it was in the previous two patch cycles, WHM having to wait for every long-overdue fix that normally didn't even really fixed any of the main issues, but stuff that could have waited for fixes a bit longer, while AST and SCH got everything they wanted and then some.

    I don't even want them to give us a DPS Lily dump and leave it at that like they did with SCH. If they are afraid of WHM gainig too much DPS through that, they could, for example, lower Dias ticks by 10 or something. That would even help with movement if done right. I don't want to be op, but jfc do I want to have WHMs issues fixed. Because as it is now, there is no denying that there are situations where Lilies are just plain worthless; just as Aetherflow stacks were.
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  10. 07-31-2019 04:56 PM
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  11. #79
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    Hatstand's Avatar
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    Jenny Davar
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    Kujata
    Main Class
    Weaver Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Peach64 View Post
    Yes, but people think WHM could have used a similar DPS ability like Energy Drain to dump lilies on. As it stands now, if you are at 3 lilies and party is at full HP, there is absolutely nothing else to use it on. So it's unfair that SCH gets something like that (again), yet WHM lily gauge is still not in the place it should be and we only have one job gauge (Lily gauge), unlike SCH which has two (Aetherflow and Faerie Gauge).
    I would love WHM to have a feature like this, but the idea that if one class doesn’t have something then the others shouldn’t got us into this mess. It was a much simpler thing for them to restore an old move than to add a whole new one. It would be better for both classes to have it, but SCH having it is better than neither.
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  12. #80
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    Waxillium Larede
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Dude, or you are trolling or you dont have any idea of how potencies/healing/sch/ast works
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

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