WHM going to become black sheep of healers again

[Saefinn]

This is why it's hard to take you seriously. You think 1 oGCD is enough to bridge the 1k gap between SCH and WHM. For the sake of argument, let's say it is, it isn't, but let's go to magical fairy world where math doesnt work and say it does. You are advocating for SCH and AST to be WORSE, this is your solution. You dont suggest improvements for WHM, you dont give suggestions for WHM to feel and play better, rather, you want the other healers to be dragged through the mud just so WHM can stand at the top and gladly claim it got screwed over the least.

If you suggest actual improvements for WHM that didnt include making SCH/AST feel worse to play, or make them uninteresting, or w/e, I could rally behind you, but you dont. You want SCH to be worse, so of course nobody wants to back you up. You actively make WHMs position worse, because that class does have problems, but you're making everyone think that all WHMs want is for the other healers to be bad, you're actively making people who want to help WHM turn away.

Very much this. I've posted a few times opportunities to relate on the actual problems of WHM and an opportunity to have a bit more unity on the topic. But it seems the rant is directed at things that have no factual basis and is contrary to the facts. Given the persistence against evidence and arguments presented to him, I'm starting to think this is just a troll thread we've all fallen for.

[nalol]

Uhh, assuming energy drain is 150 potency (Which is probably around what it'll be, maybe lower since SE hates healer damage) that's only 450 potency on a 1 minute cooldown.

I don't see how 450 potency gain every minute is going to make white mage useless, that's literally 1.5 glare and you're forcing yourself to use gcds if any major healing is needed now.

450 a minute ? mmmh no


ED will mostly be used as stack dump. since SCH don't get the trait that reduces AF recast by 15sec ... we'll still have to be carefull about managing our stacks. So .. unless we overuse dissipation, SCH won't have additional 450 pot damage a minute.
It just means we won't have to overheal just to use our stacks.

anyhow WHM hasn't been changed they are still in great spot. AST needed buffs and SCH buff is nice but won't make them stronger DPS than whm.
whm is still strong and hoping it stays that way

[Dynia]

This is why it's hard to take you seriously. You think 1 oGCD is enough to bridge the 1k gap between SCH and WHM. For the sake of argument, let's say it is, it isn't, but let's go to magical fairy world where math doesnt work and say it does. You are advocating for SCH and AST to be WORSE, this is your solution. You dont suggest improvements for WHM, you dont give suggestions for WHM to feel and play better, rather, you want the other healers to be dragged through the mud just so WHM can stand at the top and gladly claim it got screwed over the least.

If you suggest actual improvements for WHM that didnt include making SCH/AST feel worse to play, or make them uninteresting, or w/e, I could rally behind you, but you dont. You want SCH to be worse, so of course nobody wants to back you up. You actively make WHMs position worse, because that class does have problems, but you're making everyone think that all WHMs want is for the other healers to be bad, you're actively making people who want to help WHM turn away.

this patch 1 ogc next patch another 1ogc, its stats like it was in HW and SB, i want hope you are right and im wrong but I don't belive in SE "balance"

[IntrovertAnt]

The op has duped you all. It's a troll thread in a trolls game of "how long can I keep people mad."

The people who lost are the ones that keep reading and responding here, including myself.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

OH FFS....

I use all 3 healers, and WHM was in a really good spot. Frankly, it's the most mana-efficient of all the healers right now and it should stay that way.

SCH gaining siphon is just for dumping aetherflow we aren't using so we can consistently build Fairy Guage for those moments where the extra assistance from Lilly's heal beam or AE heal might be needed. It's not going to have a significant impact on our DPS. It's only on really old and casual content that I'm spending all my aetherflow on siphon.

As for AST. FFS, AST was suffering in the heals dept - they needed help.

Calm down chicken little, the sky isn't falling.

[fantasticm]

Yes, the black sheep... That is appropriate indeed. A black sheep, or several thousand of them, is exactly what WHM mains should be sacrificing to every deity that has ever existed in human history. I hear the Catholic Church is in talks to canonize YoshiP for the miracle of not nerfing WHM.

[KanameYuuki]

Imagine thinking AST got a ton of buffs because the dev team was actively looking to ruin once again WHM, and not because AST was under powered trying to do its basic role.

[kidalutz]

5.05 patch:

- SCH got energy drain back that will give same damage like WHM and make him OP again
- ASTRO lot of buffs
- WHM got nothing again

2 more patches like this and WHM will be again unwanted shit for raids like it was in SB that no1 want this class GJ SE !

mark my words, soon history will repeat itself like it was in SB

drop your WHM before it too late and go level SCH or ASTRO if you want keep your raid slot

what WHM got now ?
- dmg ? nope
- utility nope
- barrier ? LOL ...
- healing ? lol
- oh yeah we have useless holy for raids ...

YES IM ANGRY I HAVE TO DROP AGAIN MY FAV HEALER CAUSE OF SCHOLARS WHINING and play SCH cause I hate astro over life !!

GJ SE from angry WHM player ...


and ppls think that WHM is already OP ...

Frankly do what class you enjoy doing and if you get kicked form your raid spot screw em they werent worth the time and effort you put into them.

[galbsadi]

5.05 patch:

Looks good so far.

- SCH got energy drain back that will give same damage like WHM and make him OP again

Yeah, not happening. The best effect of Energy Drain isn't even the 150 potency damage...it's the mana restoration, IMO. Hell, SE could make it 0 potency tomorrow and I wouldn't even care.

- ASTRO lot of buffs

That they needed. Have you actually PLAYED AST? (Looks at your lodestone.) Nope, you haven't. You have no room to speak here.

- WHM got nothing again

Because it's still in a fantastic spot. WHM flows smoothly, feels good to play, and pumps out high numbers to boot!

2 more patches like this and WHM will be again unwanted shit for raids like it was in SB that no1 want this class GJ SE !

Bad troll. Go back to your cave.

mark my words, soon history will repeat itself like it was in SB


drop your WHM before it too late and go level SCH or ASTRO if you want keep your raid slot

Lolwut? That said, if you're actually a healer that's focused on progression raiding (I doubt you are), I'm quite surprised that you haven't leveled all 3 just for the versatility that a static could benefit from (after all, they even share gear other than weapons now!).

what WHM got now ?
- dmg ? nope

Um, yeah they do. Currently WHM is the strongest-DPS from a healer in game, bar none. In fact, it was so extreme that, prior to this change, a high-parsing WHM (like, say, 97%) could out-DPS AND out-heal a high-parsing SCH (like, say, 99%). Would you like the parse link to prove it?

- utility nope

This is probably the one area I'll agree with you on. I'd like to see some sort of utility for WHM.

- barrier ? LOL ...

They do still have Benison.

- healing ? lol

Strongest healing capability in the game, at least prior to this patch (which didn't affect healing potencies on SCH at all, and where AST was nowhere close.)

- oh yeah we have useless holy for raids ...

Almost like the majority of the game isn't raids, and people run other content (even raiders!). Holy is, bar none, the best possible spell in the game for dungeons, which everybody runs at some point.

YES IM ANGRY I HAVE TO DROP AGAIN MY FAV HEALER CAUSE OF SCHOLARS WHINING and play SCH cause I hate astro over life !!

No you don't. In fact, WHM is still in a very good and very strong spot atm, and if anybody had a right to complain still...it'd be AST.

[Kayokane]

With the addition of ED to SCH, WHM actually received a synergy buff with them. Solace is better to use than lustrate as it builds towards the 900pot nuke and allows sch to save an aetherflow for ED. This combo allows misery to be dps positive on a dummy 900 for Misery plus 450 for possible extra EDs. :3