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  1. 07-31-2019 04:51 AM #1
    Wyndam
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    Where are you getting 3600 potency from?
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  2. 07-31-2019 08:18 AM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyndam View Post
    Where are you getting 3600 potency from?
    From one of my previous posts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I posted this in the Tank forum but will put it here for discussion:

    From a healers perspective, Living Dead needs a healing buff modifier on it of some sort or only need to heal a portion of total damage vs all of it.

    At lvl 80 DRK's can have well over 100K HP (most have 111K) and if they're in a situation where living dead is used and procs, nothing but a WHM Benediciton is going to keep them alive.

    I used a Recitation (guaranteed crit) > Emergency Tactics > Adlo with a lustrate and it still wasn't enough.

    I'd have to burn like 2 or 3 lustrates as well to even come close and it still wouldn't be enough.

    I think someone did the math somewhere and it was like 3600 total potency worth of healing to get out 111K worth of hit points. My napkin math matches this. My 400 pot physic heal averages 12500 ish (439 ilvl). That would take 8.8 of those to top a DRK off (8.8 x 400 = 3546 total pot)

    That's insane.
    Another person chimed in with a bit better math.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I was actually having this very same discussion with the tanks in my FC about the invulnerability abilities last night. We all came to the agreement that DRK now has the worst invuln due to the amount of healing you need to do to get them out of Walking Dead is immense.

    In case anyone is wondering, and taking Deceptus' example above:

    Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo = (300 potency)*(1.4 crit bonus)*(3.5 for healing and shield bonus) = 1,470 potency
    3x Lustrate = 1,800 potency

    Total potency is 3,270 which is still short of the needed 3,600 one has to hit to heal a tank from 1HP. You'll actually need to Dissipation and probably Lustrate at least once more to keep your DRK from dying.

    Depending on how the HP curve grows in relation to the healing power curve, this value could become even wider.

    This will be easier in a raid scenario where there are two healers available, for in a 4-man instance, the DRK invulnerability is really painful to deal with if you aren't a WHM.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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  3. 07-31-2019 09:45 AM #3
    NyneSwordz
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    Living dead sounds annoying to use, but it didn't prevent world e4s first group from having a dark knight.

    So maybe its fine?
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  4. 07-31-2019 03:17 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    Living dead sounds annoying to use, but it didn't prevent world e4s first group from having a dark knight.
    Or they did have a WHM than could bene it. Kind of the point there.
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    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.
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  5. 08-01-2019 01:10 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    Living dead sounds annoying to use, but it didn't prevent world e4s first group from having a dark knight.

    So maybe its fine?
    High. End. Players. Are. Better. At. Using. Their. Entire. Toolkit. Better. Than. Most.
    I swear this "bUt ThEsE rEaLlY gOoD pLaYeRs DoNt StRuGgLe WiTh [thing]" argument is so dismissive of any real criticisms levied against anything.
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