Square Enix Team Hates NIN Players.

[HyoMinPark]

then they will pick MCH. Our buffs are not worth shit for our damage output compare to MCH anyway.

If they want buffs and support, they can just go for DNC and get everyone else the viable buffs that happen constantly and have the long ass uptime.

Hence, bye bye bard.

For Innocence EX, BRD's rDPS was only 50~70 behind MCH... And it was actually quite represented in speedkills for both.

FFLogs ranks via rDPS now. Not pDPS.


SAM getting Hagakure back as Sen management (which may or may not directly affect their damage due to it only returning 5 Kenki per Sen versus the 20 it gave in SB) is a little bit different than reincorporating Foe's as a new off-global. They would have to likely have to actively redesign the skill, where as Hagakure is just less Kenki return and on a shorter recast - it functions virtually the same as it did in SB. And while I think they could have addressed the gauge sound change, it's not like BRD is actively hurting right now in terms of what it does and what it can bring.

We'll see how BRD sits when Eden clears and speedkills start happening, but podcasts were already listing it as the better prog choice of the physical ranged. The physical ranged are one of the few roles that are relatively close to one another in rDPS balance, with DNC being only ~300 or so behind MCH, and BRD being basically neck-n-neck with it. So all you're doing is doomsaying and complaining with very little numerical basis right now (and even high-jacking a thread about NIN to do so).

[TcomJ]

Talk about hyperbole...

Many classes have been in bad spots over the years. Hell, my class has been a laughing stock since Drgs got us nerfed in the beginning of 4.0. Doesn't mean SE hates the class or the players.

Yah, but they constantly trying to buff DRG every expansion till this day. Back in the day Bard+Drg is a thing too. Not to mention the party wide crit buff.

[Sigiria]

Nin's been under the radar since its release. And is mainly responsible for the notion that "dps utiliy jobs are a must in any party"
It's no surprise we ended here. That's why I was annoyed to see nin keep the TA after they announced they wanted to make it so no jobs would have a guaranteed spot in every party. Because this result is what I feared

The problem with a skill as powerful as the trick attack is, which playerbase are you using as a reference to tune it? before ShB it seems like they used to tune it to an average party's dps. Thing is, by doing that the really good teams would get an insane benefit from the TA. But people used the results of these party to decide what was the almighty meta, without considering that you need 7 other players with solid skills to get that much benefit from the support job and that with a derping party there isn't much a nin could bring over another player with decent skill playing another job instead.

Now, to shatter that concept, it seem they tuned the nin and every jobs with support with the best teams in mind. Making their personnal dps so low that only if the 7 other people in your party are pulling up their weight then nin dps+utility make it on par with other melee dps. Thing is, with most PUG parties that won't be the case, and since nin is tuned for 8 player, any 4 man content instantly weaken it.

I'd much rather have less utility for the party but not have to rely that much on the other players in my party for my dps.

[Adventica6]

I'm only here because I believe Nin deserved better than this, a lot better. The dev team is overvaluing TA so much that they make the job hit like a feather, that is not how you design a job. Remove TA just like you removed piercing down from my drg and then buff the rest of Nins dmg.

I am not a main Nin but I know when a job is treated unfairly, Ast just got great changes and nin gets a 50 potency buff, do you see the problem ? I do.

When you continually disrespect a job you create animosity with your playerbase, It's like giving pizza to all your friends except one and then giving no information on why the one friend was left to starve.

Start treating your jobs with respect or don't be a designer.

[Niyuka]

So do I get this right, NIN is unhappy that while they got a 50 potency buff on their spammable main combo, its not enough?

I think the main problem here is that SE is too afraid of whiny players to actually NERF something. BLM and DRG needed nerfs.

The problem with Trick Attack is also that whenever you buff other classes that could potentially be in the group with ninjas, you buff TA.

[Seraphor]

So do I get this right, NIN is unhappy that while they got a 50 potency buff on their spammable main combo, its not enough?

I think the main problem here is that SE is too afraid of whiny players to actually NERF something. BLM and DRG needed nerfs.

The problem with Trick Attack is also that whenever you buff other classes that could potentially be in the group with ninjas, you buff TA.

The problem is that since 5.0, even accounting for TA, it didn't even come close to accounting for Ninja's low pDPS.
Taking rDPS into account, it's in joint last place with Dancer, a job with a load of additional utility.

That said, Gust Slash is used pretty much every third GCD excluding Shadowfang application, so that 50 potency will be more effective than people realise, but not a huge amount.
It might put Ninja's back on par with Red Mage at least, but without a Rez...

[MaelleRiou]

Why are bards trying to hijack a ninja thread? Bard is just barely behind machinist and ninja is so far behind monk I don't think monks can see ninjas all the way down there, and it's not because of stealth.

[Arkenne]

ninja is so far behind monk I don't think monks can see ninjas all the way down there

Just you wait, filthy Monks... some day I'll TA your arses. Positional requirement is already achieved!!

[24daking]

Only reason we might have a chance at a spot in Raid is if the player base still thinks Trick Attack is good and makes up for the non-exsistent Personal DPS. Which it doesnt. Its the lowest. I believe even a DNC has us beat, or close. Meaning in terms of effort.. NIN is highest skill cap gets no reward when doing good, while DNC can go around trolling while hitting the same numbers almost with no effort what so ever. Its like Square Enix rewards easy play over technical madplays

DNC hands down has us beat there lowest raid output is our highest in a perfectly optimized comp dnc is around 1000-1700 raid damage given. Ninja is at 600-1100. Other melee are around 200-600

[kidalutz]

At this current rate, I have a suggestion for you developers.
Either Remove/rework TA, raise our Damage Potencies + revert Bunshin to how it was meant to be before pre-release.

Or just delete the job from the game. At its current place it seems like you guys dont care about the job anyways.

Sincerely a NIN who is 100% tired and frustrated at the "Dev team".

Oh and if people post "But NIN has TA its deserved". Kiss me where I am highest, when I pick up popotos.

Why is it when players don't get every single concession they want straight away they cry and scream that the company hates the players? Suck it up, deal with it like an adult and move on with your life instead of having a three year olds reaction to being told not right now.