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[TcomJ]

Dancer is lower total rdps than bard

then they will pick MCH. Our buffs are not worth shit for our damage output compare to MCH anyway.

If they want buffs and support, they can just go for DNC and get everyone else the viable buffs that happen constantly and have the long ass uptime.

Hence, bye bye bard.

[HyoMinPark]

then they will pick MCH. Our buffs are not worth shit for our damage output compare to MCH anyway.

If they want buffs and support, they can just go for DNC and get everyone else the viable buffs that happen constantly and have the long ass uptime.

Hence, bye bye bard.

For Innocence EX, BRD's rDPS was only 50~70 behind MCH... And it was actually quite represented in speedkills for both.

FFLogs ranks via rDPS now. Not pDPS.


SAM getting Hagakure back as Sen management (which may or may not directly affect their damage due to it only returning 5 Kenki per Sen versus the 20 it gave in SB) is a little bit different than reincorporating Foe's as a new off-global. They would have to likely have to actively redesign the skill, where as Hagakure is just less Kenki return and on a shorter recast - it functions virtually the same as it did in SB. And while I think they could have addressed the gauge sound change, it's not like BRD is actively hurting right now in terms of what it does and what it can bring.

We'll see how BRD sits when Eden clears and speedkills start happening, but podcasts were already listing it as the better prog choice of the physical ranged. The physical ranged are one of the few roles that are relatively close to one another in rDPS balance, with DNC being only ~300 or so behind MCH, and BRD being basically neck-n-neck with it. So all you're doing is doomsaying and complaining with very little numerical basis right now (and even high-jacking a thread about NIN to do so).

[TcomJ]

For Innocence EX, BRD's rDPS was only 50~70 behind MCH... And it was actually quite represented in speedkills for both.

FFLogs ranks via rDPS now. Not pDPS.


SAM getting Hagakure back as Sen management (which may or may not directly affect their damage due to it only returning 5 Kenki per Sen versus the 20 it gave in SB) is a little bit different than reincorporating Foe's as a new off-global. They would have to likely have to actively redesign the skill, where as Hagakure is just less Kenki return and on a shorter recast - it functions virtually the same as it did in SB. And while I think they could have addressed the gauge sound change, it's not like BRD is actively hurting right now in terms of what it does and what it can bring.

We'll see how BRD sits when Eden clears and speedkills start happening, but podcasts were already listing it as the better prog choice of the physical ranged. The physical ranged are one of the few roles that are relatively close to one another in rDPS balance, with DNC being only ~300 or so behind MCH, and BRD being basically neck-n-neck with it. So all you're doing is doomsaying and complaining with very little numerical basis right now (and even high-jacking a thread about NIN to do so).

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dpstype=pdps


uhuh. DNC took our job, all those raid buffs go to DNC from Bard clearly. There is not disputing this. You just change to DNC main so have fun there ofc you are going to suck up to it.


DNC would have no place? Like SE cares when they add it and think homogenization is a good idea in an RPG game. Even Ragnarok didn't need to do that.

All that aDPS, put onto one ability Battle Voice...wow so Bard there. Oh look, rDPS is just the same as BRD.

Wait to see pDPS and will see how much do we really "buff" the party.
Just wow.

[Mahoukenshi]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dpstype=pdps


uhuh. DNC took our job, all those raid buffs go to DNC from Bard clearly. There is not disputing this. You just change to DNC main so have fun there ofc you are going to suck up to it.


DNC would have no place? Like SE cares when they add it and think homogenization is a good idea in an RPG game. Even Ragnarok didn't need to do that.

This topic is about NIN, not about another of your self-pity attempts.

[Drayos]

then they will pick MCH. Our buffs are not worth shit for our damage output compare to MCH anyway.

If they want buffs and support, they can just go for DNC and get everyone else the viable buffs that happen constantly and have the long ass uptime.

Hence, bye bye bard.

FFLogs are broken, but i did a post on DPS Differences.

Im pretty sure Bards about 400-500 DPS behind MCH, with 400 RDPS through its buffs, so no, lol MCH and bard are actually equal RDPS Standpoint almost :P this is Pure hyperbole