Why are white mages allergic to regen?

[SleepyNeko]

It has been said many times the main reason you don't see WHM use regen/medica 2 in pug because it's pointless. The co-healers 9/10 time, heck make that 19/20 times will top over the ticks, essentially turn them into overheal. But I guess it's a psycology problem when the other healers see the regen tick they don't feel as if the WHM doesn't do anything, even if the ticks themselves do nothing.

Sorry I was talking mainly about Ex trials. I co-heal with WHM that don't Regen on the MT so I'm not talking about Over heals. What gets me is that you get people saying "Just ogcd heals is enough" but it actually isn't in this tier and the current gear. You try to keep a tank alive with just ogcds and he'll die from autos.

Many times the "just ogcd is enough" mentality just pushes the healing onto your co-healer and if your co-healer is an AST in Noct Sect then I feel sorry for them.

[HWalsh]

Had something weird happen today...

So I'm tanking, doing large pulls, when suddenly I keep losing aggro. I'm in tank stance, I'm AoEing, I know I'm hitting them...

Then suddenly, one of the breaks off and bee-lines for the White Mage.

I panick, click target, hurl my shield to get aggro back.

I'm struggling to control the battle while avoiding the zillion AoEs these dragons are dropping all around me. It's bad enough that I'm seeing overlapping cones into full circles.

Again... One more breaks off suddenly and bee-lines for the White Mage.

Once again I try to grab aggro back, but I just can't do it and dodge the AoEs. The run goes south. We wipe.

After I'm like, "Okay, what was that?"

The White Mage says, "Sorry, that was me. Regen. Your enmity means nothing. You've got to hit them after I cast it, in the AOE you weren't catching them all after I popped it due to dodging. I'll stop dropping it."

We had no further incidents.

I don't know if this is true, but that might have something to do with it.

[Raven2014]

So I'm tanking, doing large pulls, when suddenly I keep losing aggro. I'm in tank stance, I'm AoEing, I know I'm hitting them...
...
The White Mage says, "Sorry, that was me. Regen. Your enmity means nothing. You've got to hit them after I cast it, in the AOE you weren't catching them all after I popped it due to dodging. I'll stop dropping it."

These two statements are contradictory, because only one of them can be true.

I wonder if some people here are simply talk based on their experience from before this expack: but I will offer to make something clear:

- In ShB, as long as the tank is in tank stance and landed a hit on a target, it's pretty much impossible to pull hate off the tank. Unless:
- It's another tank taunting.
- It's another DPS that completely outgear the tank landing several big hit (i.e assembled Drill) while the tank "does not land" additional hit.

That's just how the new enmity system on the tank work, that's why they took away EVERY SINGLE enmity tool from every classes. Enmity is basically a solo task now, and in the presence of another tank, a coordinate task between 2 tanks. Once a tank land a hit in tank stance, nothing will steal the mob from him, not even an assembled Drill from MCH, not even a Crit from a BLM, and most definitely not from the pitiful enmity generated from a HOTs like regen/medicaII.

So if a tanks lose thread, there is only two answers "regardless of what you believe other wise":

- The tank missed and didn't hit the target.
- The tank was not in tank stance.

This is the absolute Truth under the new system they implement in ShB.

[Raven2014]

The real question is, how could you expect people play perfectly every time on DF?

I'll give you the real answer:

- You don't need to play "perfectly" in a place like Dun Scaith to "not" die. You just have to play not too "terrible".
- Since you used the word "co-healer", I assume you are one of the healer yourself. So let's me ask: were you struggling while healing with every fiber of your being, using every tools in your kits and yet it's still not enough to keep the party up? Depending on your answer, there are 2 conclusions:

+ If you say yes, then my original point stand. In a place like Dun Scaith even with just one healer doing it half-asleep would still be sufficient to cover the party, if you're telling me despite one healer going all out and still not enough ... then yes, it's the party that should be in question.
+ If you say no ... then isn't you and your brother (screaming like you said) were just acting a bit ... hysterical? Or is this the case of not seeing a Medica tick simply annoys you?

Whatever happened to the mindset of healer that we will do everything to prevent the group's health to fall low no matter how "ineffective" it is?

I'm far from being the type of "you don't move out of crap I'm not going to heal you" or "if you don't stand in my heal bubble it's your fault you die". I never expect people to play perfect, and I agree healer's job is to cover other mistake. Sure, if the scenario you are presenting happened in a place like Eden then maybe I agree. Because just one or two miss mechanic can kill you outright, but Dun Scaith?

Also, if you died once, I'll raise. You die twice, I'll raise you again. You die thrice ... maybe I'll raise you if Swift is up + I have MP to spare. But more than that? If someone reached a point where the healers decided it's better for them to just let you sleep on the floor while they use their time and MP on other things? If someone took the floor the 3 times or more, then they're not really in a position to question the healer's responsibility to raise them yet again, rather they should question their own responsibility of being an undue burden to the whole group.

[Anselmet]

Sorry I was talking mainly about Ex trials. I co-heal with WHM that don't Regen on the MT so I'm not talking about Over heals. What gets me is that you get people saying "Just ogcd heals is enough" but it actually isn't in this tier and the current gear. You try to keep a tank alive with just ogcds and he'll die from autos.

Many times the "just ogcd is enough" mentality just pushes the healing onto your co-healer and if your co-healer is an AST in Noct Sect then I feel sorry for them.

By any chance are you playing sch? Bc this happens to me all the time in Innocent EX (not so much in Titania EX) with whms and I often go a full fight without seeing medica ii. My only thought is sch has so many off global cds heals that you CAN mostly heal that might without really having to dip into on global cds. Which I think is the over all theme as to why whms aren't applying regens bc there are so many other options that are quicker and allows them to go back to dps'ing especially if paired with a sch. Innocent EX is a bloody cakewalk with two schs lmao. Oh did damage happen? /smacks fairy and continue to broil.

[Cemil]

Can we trade places?
Healers keep regening me as I'm pulling, and stealing my aggro.

Oh im stealing aggro too as a Dancer.
Im starting my Dancesteps pre Pull,
Tank running in aggro Range from the Mobs,
Mobs saying "Hey look at this dancing Thing,let us kill and eat it first."

This is stupid because im not buffing with my Steps,
im only dancing.^^

[Johaandr]

Make Regen OGCD pls. And longer duration!!

Atm im just using Asylum Macro on tanks lol.

[Typhoria]

I've seen it time and time again, a tank will sprint to a pack and throw an AoE that misses 1 or 2 mobs and keeps going.

Most healers will do 1(or 2) of 3 things:
1. Begin cycling DoTs on each target.
2. Shield/Regen the tank while they are still running.
3. Nothing until the tank is done pulling.

If the 3rd is the case, the healer has to play catch up. Which can be a nightmare with tanks not properly using cooldowns.

As someone who plays every role, maining Gunbreaker, tanks make sure you have agro before running ahead. While moving to the next group, use the ranged attack or provoke to ensure that you have everything.

[Kazrah]

Whenever I'm on my White Mage, I'm usually using Regen on a tank right before any Holy spam.

Now that I think of it, I actually haven't been using Regen all that much these days. Just easier to rely more on lilies and oGCD heals.

[LadyKairi]

When I’m in an 8 man scenario, I actively avoid using medica 2. I have this ocd thing when it comes to overhealing, and the vast majority of healers I’ve paired with waste my regens by topping the party off. I don’t like wasting my resources, so now I only use it if I’m solo healing.