White Mage Overflow

[Adeacia]

WHM has always been considered boring and easy to play from the start. People are suddenly going to WHM now because the dps on the other healers are lower.

It was never about being boring, you just want to see high numbers.

[Hatstand]

WHM has always been considered boring and easy to play from the start. People are suddenly going to WHM now because the dps on the other healers are lower.

It was never about being boring, you just want to see high numbers.

WHM still feels the way it used to. Maybe a little better. But now SCH is boring and easy to play AND clunky, so why not go for WHM when it's smooth? To be clear, I never actually disliked WHM. It was just my least favourite of the three healers by a decent margin

[Lagomorph]

WHM has always been considered boring and easy to play from the start. People are suddenly going to WHM now because the dps on the other healers are lower.

It was never about being boring, you just want to see high numbers.

I'm sure there are some people playing white mage because of it's high dps. But generalizing this to everyone is pretty ignorant. And if it was just about wanting to see higher numbers, then where were all the stormblood white mage players? Even in its under-tuned state last expansion, it still had the highest dps potential out of the three healers.

[Sebazy]

It was never about being boring, you just want to see high numbers.

It’s nothing to do with how much more streamlined WHM is at the moment then? Nor how you can get good results without needing 20%+ more APM and/or decent CD management to do well?

[Faxmonkey]

It’s nothing to do with how much more streamlined WHM is at the moment then? Nor how you can get good results without needing 20%+ more APM and/or decent CD management to do well?

Astrologian is clunky and boring and they took away abilities and the card system that made the class fun to play. You have the least heal options vs the other healers, shitty cds & potencies on the changed abilities and you are super busy clicking away at a dumbed down card system for marginal gains vs just nuking and that's if you are doing everything right. If you mess up, you lose rdps.

[Mandeville]

I'm considering trying WHM as well. I always had the impression it was the easier, more straight-forward healing spec, so I picked up AST to do something unique. It's still kind of unique, but man the card system requires so much GCD input for such boring, minimal gain. Might go for SCH instead, but they seem to be pretty straight forward now too, just focusing on preemptive healing.

[JonFarron]

Wow this blew up more than I thought it would. Loving the conversation in the thread.

Just to clarify, I’m not asking for WHM nerfs. I love everything about it right now, it has no issues. The point of my original post was to advocate for SCH and AST QoL changes, tweaks, and buffs to bring them up to par with WHM.

Yes, in the past WHM was behind. However, they gutted SCH and AST this expansion while keeping WHM relatively the same and arguably buffed with the new job gauge. The new job gauge fixed my main complaint about WHM in the last expansions which was their lack of instant cast heals which limited mobility. That has been fixed, and everything flows well and feels perfect.AST by comparison still has light speed for mobility and instant heals in a crutch but it is now being used to conserve mana and may not be up when you need it’s main function of mobility.

AST aoe heal potency and ability is very behind compared to WHM and even SCH. I do agree that WHM should be known for good strong heals, but the difference of how quickly a WHM can heal the party vs an Astrologian is astounding. 100 potency initial heal with aspected Helios compared to 200 on Medica 2. 100 potency on celestial opposition’s 2 minute CD with LESS regen than aspected Helios. Yes the regens stack but for an instant heal and such a long cooldown, id rather have a strong emergency heal comparable to afflatus rapture, assize, and indominability.

Noct Astro’s aspected benefic is too expensive, period. It’s niche is an instant cast heal and shield to mitigate damage and potentially save someone taking hits that you can follow up with a normal heal. WHM has a potential of 3 Solace’s, divine benison, benediction, and tetra to save someone. They earn a new lily every 30 seconds. All of the whm skills listed cost 0 mana.

Scholar has lustrate and gets 3 aetherflow every 60s, 0 mana cost and you actually gain mana every 60s.

Noct AST has essential dignity, potential max of 2, and gets a stack every 45s. To fill the void between essential dignities, aspected benefic is used which eats all of your mana (10% with each use). In the last expansions this discrepancy wasn’t as apparent as it is now with the new lily system and mana system change. Ideally you shouldn’t need to use Aspected benefic that much but in the situations where you are, it hurts.

[galbsadi]

WHM still feels the way it used to. Maybe a little better. But now SCH is boring and easy to play AND clunky, so why not go for WHM when it's smooth? To be clear, I never actually disliked WHM. It was just my least favourite of the three healers by a decent margin

I slightly disagree. WHM, at least to me, actually feels quite a bit better than it did in Stormblood. The Afflatus spells are a good addition, and they add what I think was kinda missing before. It's still a relatively simple class, but it's well-packaged now. A slight improvement might be to make Afflatus spells oGCD, but that'd probably make the meta purely WHM/WHM without question if it happened.

[EaMett]

I slightly disagree. WHM, at least to me, actually feels quite a bit better than it did in Stormblood. The Afflatus spells are a good addition, and they add what I think was kinda missing before. It's still a relatively simple class, but it's well-packaged now. A slight improvement might be to make Afflatus spells oGCD, but that'd probably make the meta purely WHM/WHM without question if it happened.

This minus the ogcd part. WHM’s main issues and clunkiness during SB came from the lilies being pointless, the job lacking weaving opportunities, the job lacking a dps ogcd to fill its weaving opportunities, some mobility issues (but that could’ve been by design). Afflatus fixes 3/4. Making the job way more fun. Next to that sch at least doesn’t have much in the way of fun, on top of being buggy, clunky, and boring.

Making afflatus ogcd would defeat the purpose without another weaving opportunity skill and would be way too OP with it anyways. The potency of misery makes perfect sense in the context of ogcd dps cost on other healers. Can’t go changing it like that.

[NanaWiloh]

Wow this blew up more than I thought it would. Loving the conversation in the thread.

Just to clarify, I’m not asking for WHM nerfs. I love everything about it right now, it has no issues. The point of my original post was to advocate for SCH and AST QoL changes, tweaks, and buffs to bring them up to par with WHM.

Yes, in the past WHM was behind. However, they gutted SCH and AST this expansion while keeping WHM relatively the same and arguably buffed with the new job gauge. The new job gauge fixed my main complaint about WHM in the last expansions which was their lack of instant cast heals which limited mobility. That has been fixed, and everything flows well and feels perfect.AST by comparison still has light speed for mobility and instant heals in a crutch but it is now being used to conserve mana and may not be up when you need it’s main function of mobility.

AST aoe heal potency and ability is very behind compared to WHM and even SCH. I do agree that WHM should be known for good strong heals, but the difference of how quickly a WHM can heal the party vs an Astrologian is astounding. 100 potency initial heal with aspected Helios compared to 200 on Medica 2. 100 potency on celestial opposition’s 2 minute CD with LESS regen than aspected Helios. Yes the regens stack but for an instant heal and such a long cooldown, id rather have a strong emergency heal comparable to afflatus rapture, assize, and indominability.

Noct Astro’s aspected benefic is too expensive, period. It’s niche is an instant cast heal and shield to mitigate damage and potentially save someone taking hits that you can follow up with a normal heal. WHM has a potential of 3 Solace’s, divine benison, benediction, and tetra to save someone. They earn a new lily every 30 seconds. All of the whm skills listed cost 0 mana.

Scholar has lustrate and gets 3 aetherflow every 60s, 0 mana cost and you actually gain mana every 60s.

Noct AST has essential dignity, potential max of 2, and gets a stack every 45s. To fill the void between essential dignities, aspected benefic is used which eats all of your mana (10% with each use). In the last expansions this discrepancy wasn’t as apparent as it is now with the new lily system and mana system change. Ideally you shouldn’t need to use Aspected benefic that much but in the situations where you are, it hurts.

Lets just say Astro is a complete train wreck.