White Mage Overflow

[NanaWiloh]

Wow this blew up more than I thought it would. Loving the conversation in the thread.

Just to clarify, I’m not asking for WHM nerfs. I love everything about it right now, it has no issues. The point of my original post was to advocate for SCH and AST QoL changes, tweaks, and buffs to bring them up to par with WHM.

Yes, in the past WHM was behind. However, they gutted SCH and AST this expansion while keeping WHM relatively the same and arguably buffed with the new job gauge. The new job gauge fixed my main complaint about WHM in the last expansions which was their lack of instant cast heals which limited mobility. That has been fixed, and everything flows well and feels perfect.AST by comparison still has light speed for mobility and instant heals in a crutch but it is now being used to conserve mana and may not be up when you need it’s main function of mobility.

AST aoe heal potency and ability is very behind compared to WHM and even SCH. I do agree that WHM should be known for good strong heals, but the difference of how quickly a WHM can heal the party vs an Astrologian is astounding. 100 potency initial heal with aspected Helios compared to 200 on Medica 2. 100 potency on celestial opposition’s 2 minute CD with LESS regen than aspected Helios. Yes the regens stack but for an instant heal and such a long cooldown, id rather have a strong emergency heal comparable to afflatus rapture, assize, and indominability.

Noct Astro’s aspected benefic is too expensive, period. It’s niche is an instant cast heal and shield to mitigate damage and potentially save someone taking hits that you can follow up with a normal heal. WHM has a potential of 3 Solace’s, divine benison, benediction, and tetra to save someone. They earn a new lily every 30 seconds. All of the whm skills listed cost 0 mana.

Scholar has lustrate and gets 3 aetherflow every 60s, 0 mana cost and you actually gain mana every 60s.

Noct AST has essential dignity, potential max of 2, and gets a stack every 45s. To fill the void between essential dignities, aspected benefic is used which eats all of your mana (10% with each use). In the last expansions this discrepancy wasn’t as apparent as it is now with the new lily system and mana system change. Ideally you shouldn’t need to use Aspected benefic that much but in the situations where you are, it hurts.

Lets just say Astro is a complete train wreck.

[galbsadi]

Lets just say Astro is a complete train wreck.

So, I've been leveling AST and WHM lately....and, yeah, pretty much.

It's to the point that if I'm going to go healer for a leveling roulette (i.e. where I'll be the only healer)...I will try to avoid AST if at all possible.

WHM, OTOH, feels fantastic, to the point that, when healing, I'm actually even shelving my main in favor of it outside of my static.

[GrimGale]

WHM is the most popular because how its kit feels to play.
WHM is the only healer whose kit builds up to something. It's the satisfaction of the blood lilly that makes it so popular.

You use the lillies, you weave damage and healing and then are rewarded with a big burst of lights and numbers.

SCH's kit has no build up, just a bunch of CDs at your disposal to burn at your whim.

AST's kit has a sense of build up with the seals, but it's awkwardly frustrating to build and most of the time you are delayed by the long CD on divination which forces you to burn cards on Minor Arcana which doesn't feel good at all.

[Lodi]

WHM is the most popular because how its kit feels to play.
WHM is the only healer whose kit builds up to something. It's the satisfaction of the blood lilly that makes it so popular.

You use the lillies, you weave damage and healing and then are rewarded with a big burst of lights and numbers.

SCH's kit has no build up, just a bunch of CDs at your disposal to burn at your whim.

AST's kit has a sense of build up with the seals, but it's awkwardly frustrating to build and most of the time you are delayed by the long CD on divination which forces you to burn cards on Minor Arcana which doesn't feel good at all.

Not to mention that Misery consistently deals a lot of damage (you can very easily get 40k+ without crits, which is very satisfying to look at as a healer), while Divination takes twice as long, is still subject to RNG, and gives a weak buff nobody will notice, not even yourself.

AST's buildup is rewarded by the faint feeling that you might have done something, while WHM's is rewarded with a massive nuke.


Choose your fighter.