SE needs to do more to help bad players

[Rivxkobe]

(of course you main samurai....).

I'm sorry.

...

So to elaborate on my point before.

There is a difference between contributing by being extremely basic at your role and contributing by going beyond the basics.

Contributing through healing alone is equal to a Tank holding Aggro and a DPS dealing damage. They all mean little to nothing on their own but you need them all to clear a run.

[Wavaryen]

I mean...you asked....



The game technically doesn't say it has the best community, part of the playerbase says that. And I personally don't care how the community is, not sure why you're trying to use this as a point. Thinking "Oh the community is so nice so I can play like absolute garbage and it's ok" is not ok. This is also why I'm for parsers, in a community where people call other people out, this way of thinking isn't broadcast openly.



No you can't turn that around, I'm not going out of my way to make things worse for other people. So again...why is it acceptable for you to ruin other people's fun? Why is it acceptable for you to make things take drastically longer than they should? Not because you're new, not because you don't know the mechanics or are practing the mechanics but simply because you want to make things go worse?


Um, no? This community needs to take responsibility for it's own actions. The person that got the death threat was an old WoW player that actually likes this game more than WoW now. The person that made the threat was a long time FFXIV player....



So why don't you just build a team of people you know and only do dungeons with them? That way you all can press only the cool animations (of course you main samurai....). Making the game harder weeds out people like you and I'm totally okay with that.

Because unlike you, when I don't get upset with players around me when I use a convenience tool for fast grouping. I accept what it gives me.


I mean, at one point in time this game did take pride on the community it has. Just players like you been getting louder and louder.



The sad thing is, I'm not saying that your views are wrong. I'm just stating this battle you won't win. You can adjust to the bad players or not. You can't force players to play how you want them to do it.


So I guess the saying does go. You don't pay for our subs . and if being bad ruins your fun. Thank you for paying that heavy burden.


Also neato I made someone sig. I like that comment I made. Thank you

[XenociderOmega]

Don't wanna end up like WoW with lfr

[Nims]

I'm sorry.

It's okay sweet summer child.

Because unlike you, when I don't get upset with players around me when I use a convenience tool for fast grouping. I accept what it gives me.
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Because it's a covenience tool does not make it acceptable for you to not even try. There's one thing, again, to just generally not be good. It's another to not even try. You simply aren't even trying.

And if you accept what's given to you, why not accept that people are going to expect you to play your class properly and atleast try?

It's a two way street.

You can't force players to play how you want them to do it.

We aren't asking for that. We're atleast asking for ways to deal with them that doesn't punish us.

Why am I getting a temp ban for saying you're garbage when you KNOW you're garbage?
Why am I getting a 30 minute penalty for leaving a group with people that only uses 2 skills because they have cool animations?
Why is it there a 2 hour (fact check on that, I know it's like an hour to three hours) cool down on kicking people when there's many people that refuse to try?

This game gives people like you too many chances, tools, and opportunity to harass (cause that's what it is at this point) other players.

Hm? I am trying to what I want to do. As much as my fun factor will let me. If that means it takes a extra 5 to 10 mins of a run being slower. I'm willing to put that burden on my group. As long as it gets done that is all that matters, and if that ruins your fun. I'm not really sorry about that. Lucky for you, I don't group with players unless I got to do it.

You simply can not do what you want in a group setting with randoms. Again it's a two way street, I can not expect randoms to play the way I want them and I don't when I'm pugging. Why are you exempt from basic human decency by actually playing your class and being considerate?

Welp if you keep getting kicked don't blame it on the "community" and gripe about how the "community" isn't the best any more.

[Wavaryen]

It's okay sweet summer child.



Because it's a covenience tool does not make it acceptable for you to not even try. There's one thing, again, to just generally not be good. It's another to not even try. You simply aren't even trying.

And if you accept what's given to you, why not accept that people are going to expect you to play your class properly and atleast try?

It's a two way street.

Hm? I am trying to what I want to do. As much as my fun factor will let me. If that means it takes a extra 5 to 10 mins of a run being slower. I'm willing to put that burden on my group. As long as it gets done that is all that matters, and if that ruins your fun. I'm not really sorry about that. Lucky for you, I don't group with players unless I got to do it.

[Hawklaser]

Because unlike you, when I don't get upset with players around me when I use a convenience tool for fast grouping. I accept what it gives me.


I mean, at one point in time this game did take pride on the community it has. Just players like you been getting louder and louder.



The sad thing is, I'm not saying that your views are wrong. I'm just stating this battle you won't win. You can adjust to the bad players or not. You can't force players to play how you want them to do it.


So I guess the saying does go. You don't pay for our subs . and if being bad ruins your fun. Thank you for paying that heavy burden.

So I just want to pose a question to you. If on the off chance that one day the duty finder just happend to pair you with a full group that did not believe in doing anything but auto-attacking, how long would you stick it out before saying anything? I know it is an unlikely scenario, but it is fully within the realm of possibilities, and odds are in that situation you would have to carry the whole group to even have a chance of completing it, you might even have to convince someone to push an ability.

[Nedkel]

Only white knights praise this community, others don't care and the rest sees this community for what it is. People that literally send death threatens if you criticize the game.

Are you a lazypeon fan by any chance?
He tweeted about death threats but never actually gave any evidence of such after he has been asked to do so, also he just deleted this tweet where he wrote down about it and never ever got involved in it at all.

Do you really believe in his lies? Thats sad how easy it is to manipulate people through 1 tweet. xD

[Wavaryen]

So I just want to pose a question to you. If on the off chance that one day the duty finder just happend to pair you with a full group that did not believe in doing anything but auto-attacking, how long would you stick it out before saying anything? I know it is an unlikely scenario, but it is fully within the realm of possibilities, and odds are in that situation you would have to carry the whole group to even have a chance of completing it, you might even have to convince someone to push an ability.

I would not get upset. I might just laugh, and be like well we can't do this. I will try a new group later.

At the end of the day, I'm happy if people enjoying the game, even if it takes a little bit longer.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Are you a lazypeon fan by any chance?
He tweeted about death threats but never actually gave any evidence of such after he has been asked to do so, also he just deleted this tweet where he wrote down about it and never ever got involved in it at all.

Do you really believe in his lies? Thats sad how easy it is to manipulate people through 1 tweet. xD

Welcome to the Future...
1 person says something, the masses believe it.

[Nims]

Are you a lazypeon fan by any chance?

No, a twitch streamer (Scottzone) slightly criticized Eden (he over all enjoys FFXIV) and was sent a death threat that he actually showed on stream....then got a 30 day ban for it. However the hate over Lazypeon's video is just as valid too. There was a thread made here about it (I mean why?) and then this community went there and started harassing him.

I love Archeage, many people don't. I'd never go out of my way to attack someone that doesn't like Archeage.