SAM improvements that needed in the next patch.

[cactuarzzzz]

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Hissatsu: Yaten
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- Learned at LV.6 instead of Third Eye
[Hissastsu : Yaten is more useful than the Third Eye without Merciful Eyes]
- Remove Kenki Cost
- Recast time increased to 30 seconds



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Hissatsu: Gyoten
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- Learned at LV.35
- Remove Kenki Cost
- Recast time increased to 30 seconds
- Maximum Charges: 2



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Third Eye
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- Learned at LV.56 Instead of Hissatsu: Yaten.

[Followed with Merciful Eyes that learn at LV.58. Third Eye will be more useful when learned at LV.56]





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Hagakure
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- Learned at LV.60 and replace Meditate.


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Meditate
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- Remove from the game and replace by Hagakure


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Shoha
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- Does not require Meditation Buff. The rest is up to the developper.

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Kaeshi: Higanbana
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- Instant Cast

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Kaeshi : Goken
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- Instant Cast

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Kaeshi : Setsugekga
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- Instant Cast


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Tsubame-gaeshi
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- Instant Cast

*Before the developer decided to add more skill that require a cast time, I would like to remind them that :We SAMURAI Are Not A Melee Caster nor that we wished to be.*








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With these changes

-SAM will have a reteat skill to use with LV.50 content like other job/class.

-Have Hagakure to use in LV.60 Contents

-No need to be a malee caster in LV70+ Contents.

[Mistyregions]

Oddly enough I don't see the problem with shoha, there ample time in the EX trials during phase transition and it builds kenki.

[Rivxkobe]

Having Hagakure + Ikishoten + less things to spend Kenki would be overkill honestly.

Honestly, I'm fine with Iaijutsu having a cast time. I never minded it in SB. I'd like Tsubame-gaeshi to be instant though.

We need damage buffs mainly at this point though. The Enhanced Jinpu and Shifu talent should have been AT LEAST 15% since the current 13% barely makes up for the loss of the Slashing Debuff. And we get it at level 78. Which is a whole 28 levels we are without the Slashing Debuff or the improved buffs.

Oddly enough I don't see the problem with shoha, there ample time in the EX trials during phase transition and it builds kenki.

Shoha is weak. And is our "capstone" ability this Expansion. Its depressing.

[Nalien]

*Before the developer decided to add more skill that require a cast time, I would like to remind them that :We SAMURAI Are Not A Melee Caster nor that we wished to be.*

You... Kind of are though... That was the entire gimmick of the Stormblood Jobs; Red Mage is a caster that has a melee combo. Samurai is a melee that has a caster combo... That's how the Job has been since its release in this game, this isn't like Bard suddenly becoming Bow-Mage in Heavensward, the Sen skills have always been casts... If you don't like that you should probably play a different Job, you might as well say "Dragoons shouldn't have Jump" or "Monk shouldn't punch", Samurais gimmick is that it builds up to a caster skill, why is this suddenly an issue when that's how the Job has been since launch?

[Nora_of_Mira]

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With these changes

-SAM will have a reteat skill to use with LV.50 content like other job/class.

-Have Hagakure to use in LV.60 Contents

-No need to be a malee caster in LV70+ Contents.

these changes are a bit...intense. Jobs arent balanced for 50/60/70 content anymore, we just have to deal with that. Melee caster? the cast time is 1.3 seconds and its your strongest abilities. Maybe adjust Shoha but Samurai is mostly fine right now.

[cactuarzzzz]

You... Kind of are though... That was the entire gimmick of the Stormblood Jobs; Red Mage is a caster that has a melee combo. Samurai is a melee that has a caster combo... That's how the Job has been since its release in this game, this isn't like Bard suddenly becoming Bow-Mage in Heavensward, the Sen skills have always been casts... If you don't like that you should probably play a different Job, you might as well say "Dragoons shouldn't have Jump" or "Monk shouldn't punch", Samurais gimmick is that it builds up to a caster skill, why is this suddenly an issue when that's how the Job has been since launch?

"why is this suddenly an issue when that's how the Job has been since launch?"

This would be great. The number of times I've had to cut off my cast or took a hit because I didn't want to delay my rotation by more than I already was going to is insane. Currently SAM already feels a little weak due to its pDPS not being much higher than (if not equal to) DRG while having no rDPS (unlike DRG) and having to constantly delay our rotation due to casts is just depressing.



2 things:

First our pDPS is BARELY higher than DRG, and most of the time it is actually equal due to delays caused by AoEs and movement interrupting our casts.

Secondly we had ONE casting ability in SB, we now have an additional that is used immediately after the first, which means we need 4-5 seconds of being able to stand still so we don't interrupt our cast and extend how long it will take before we can line everything up again. You know this, not sure why you think "knowing the fight" somehow addresses the issues a melee range caster faces in AoE and movement heavy fights.

[cactuarzzzz]

these changes are a bit...intense. Jobs arent balanced for 50/60/70 content anymore, we just have to deal with that. Melee caster? the cast time is 1.3 seconds and its your strongest abilities. Maybe adjust Shoha but Samurai is mostly fine right now.

1.3 x2 + animation time

[Rivxkobe]

"why is this suddenly an issue when that's how the Job has been since launch?"

Oh hey, you quoted me from your previous thread.

Awesome. I don't know if a lot of people on the forums really care about SAM or agree with me though.

[cactuarzzzz]

Oh hey, you quoted me from your previous thread.

Awesome. I don't know if a lot of people on the forums really care about SAM or agree with me though.

Thank for a good explanation.

[Nalien]

A simpler fix, or at least in my mind a more fitting one, would be to simply have Iaijutsu apply a status effect that Tsubame-gaeshi plays off, allowing you to effectively stagger the use of Tsubame-gaeshi to weave it more efficiently. To copy from Red Mages playbook, something like Kaeshi : Setsugekga Ready after doing a Midare, which lasts X seconds, allowing you to weave GCDs between Midarea and Kaeshi : Setsugekga as needed.

Going the whole "Samurai isn't a melee caster!" route, when that's literally been its gimmick since day one is... Odd, to say the least...