SAM improvements that needed in the next patch.

[cactuarzzzz]

A simpler fix, or at least in my mind a more fitting one, would be to simply have Iaijutsu apply a status effect that Tsubame-gaeshi plays off, allowing you to effectively stagger the use of Tsubame-gaeshi to weave it more efficiently. To copy from Red Mages playbook, something like Kaeshi : Setsugekga Ready after doing a Midare, which lasts X seconds, allowing you to weave GCDs between Midarea and Kaeshi : Setsugekga as needed.

Going the whole "Samurai isn't a melee caster!" route, when that's literally been its gimmick since day one is... Odd, to say the least...

Having only Iaijutsu doesn't feel like a caster since in SB you can use shinten instead of Midare.
In SB we can ignore meditate and we can convert sen to use shinten instead of midare but it isn't like that in SHB.
Now in SHB we got 2x Casting from Iaijutsu + charging meditate for shoha.
Anymore than this and we are offially a melee caster.

[cactuarzzzz]

Having Hagakure + Ikishoten + less things to spend Kenki would be overkill honestly.

Below 60 we have Hissatsu: Kaiten
Above 60 we have Hissatsu: Shinten
Above 70 we have Guren & Seinai

Or the dev could change Shoha to use Kenki instead of meditation buff.

[Nora_of_Mira]

1.3 x2 + animation time

and that makes you a caster? just because you have 2 spell casting moves back to back doesnt change the fact that the cast time is 1.3 seconds.

[cactuarzzzz]

and that makes you a caster? just because you have 2 spell casting moves back to back doesnt change the fact that the cast time is 1.3 seconds.

1.3 x 2 + animation time . I counted and it is no less than 3 secs. If you delay the cast/delay your rotation = dps loss. If you skip the cast = dps loss.
Couple with the meditation charge that dev try to make sam player use, it sure feel like a caster.

[CorbinDallas]

Shoha is weak. And is our "capstone" ability this Expansion. Its depressing.

Laughs in 3.0 Dissipation and 4.0 Plenary Indulgence.

[Coatl]

Yeah I'm not sure what they were thinking with Shoha.

[LunarEmerald]

I'd just like to see potencies across the board raised a bit so the gap between black mage and samurai isn't so big.

[Zeonx]

Cousin said everything is good on samurai except for two moves.
He basically says Meditate should of been removed and Shoha is the weakest level 80 move and he laughed and told me it was a joke.

he basically told me this.
Says meditate is recast 60 seconds but 5 charges you cannot stand there and charge due to the fact monsters aoe or forced to move so basically around 2-3 charges lucky if you get 5
even if you get 5 charges Shoha does 10-15k damage he says this is weakest level 80 move ever.

he said why didn't they just make it use 100 sword bar and boost the damage up on shoha instead of meditating.

he joked around said hey monster can you give me like 28 seconds of meditate so I can use my flashy new Shoha move that does only 10-15k its supposed to be my ultimate move but who in there right mind would stand there with new content is tons of aoe's that can nearly 1 shot you for 5 charges.

its true to lol

[RadicalPesto]

Iaijutsu being casted is perfectly fine and has always been fine. What feels bad right now is the two back-to-back casts of midare setsugekka+tsubame gaeshi. not only does that mess with samurai's mobility, you're not allowed to use any gcd's between midare and tsubame without losing the latter. it also looks weird, like its obvious midare setsugekka's full animation wasn't designed around being spammed.

[HakaseNyan]

Should probably make your suggestions/discussions here https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/.../658-DPS-Roles

Also, I don't like the idea of instant cast tsubame-gaeshi. The iaijutsu animation is probably the hallmark of SAM. The fact I get to do it twice in a row makes me excited.