Have Tanks been dumbed down to much?

[Sabora_Makingai]

*Have not read the whole thread*

I'm a PLD main and I'm busier than EVER this expansion. More cooldowns all the time (not just for tank busters). Mele combat and ranged during HS window. With the healer changes I'm constantly healing the party with clemency and cover is up all the time during roomwide AOEs. Not sure about everyone else, but I dont think it has been "Dumbed down" this expac, but theres a LOT more to manage now. I'm happy with where tanking is at.

[aqskerorokero]

I see few new GNB be able to do the continuation combo while using cd and aggro swap, so please do not make things harder to do.

[Awful]

I don't speak for every tank, I think I do speak for every good tank though.

Then you must not be speaking for yourself then which is a shame, I like the tank changes and this is coming from someone who has been a DRK since HW then swapped to WAR in Sigmascape because DRK was so mind numbingly boring and bad to play. Did you like old tanking where you used tank stance 1-2-3 threat combo then swapped to DPS stance? No. Because you weren't there now were you?

You only have WAR at 80 so I take it you've played all the tanks and are an expert raider then? Have you even done any kind of Savage from previous xpacs or EX primals from this xpac? I'm no expert but I've raided as WAR and DRK and PLD, mostly WAR/DRK but I have, it's more than you've done.

So before you get mad and call someone out saying that someone's not a good tank on the tanking forums, go look at yourself and think before you post I wasn't mad in my previous post but the last comment where you speak for every good tank first do some actual content.

[Leonus]

There are 2 categories of people in this thread:
1. People who like dpsing and they think tanks this expansion are fun.
2. People like tanking and they think tanks this expansion are not fun (they are boring, dumbed down etc.)

My only question to the 1st category of people is why do you play a tank instead of dps?

I now play tank instead of DPS because tanking is more fun, well at least gnb is. I'll be leveling the other tanks as well pretty shortly.
I don't think tanks were dumbed down, I agree with those who say "streamlined". Past tank iterations danced around the bush to me and it was more annoying than fun. Stance dancing for Tanks just irked my soul.

Also, I never really got behind the idea of just being a meat shield just soaking hits to keep others alive. For me, who does actual combat sports, being well rounded is important, and tanks are the most well rounded of the 3 roles now so I'm naturally gravitating towards it.

[Kanitezz]

Streamlined is the word you're looking for not dumbed down, having a good tank vs having a bad tank is more apparent now than ever you have a lot of tanks going Lolbreaker but unable to mitigate properly and dying on every mass pull whereas you'll have a good Gunbreaker that knows how to use CDs, good dps uptime and great positioning.

If anything tanking has become more free flowing and unshackled if you ask me.

I agree with the streamlined statement. I've taken GNB through MSQ and am just now leveling WAR back up. I feel like I have to be a lot more careful about my Defensive CD rotation than I did in SB. I'm still very much enjoying it though!

As for being a Lolbreaker I have to admit I'm half of one. I have CDs, and positioning down. I need to work a little on my DPS uptime though. It's easy for me to tunnel vision on CDs and positioning and I have to snap myself out of that.

[Aluja89]

Then you must not be speaking for yourself then which is a shame, I like the tank changes and this is coming from someone who has been a DRK since HW then swapped to WAR in Sigmascape because DRK was so mind numbingly boring and bad to play. Did you like old tanking where you used tank stance 1-2-3 threat combo then swapped to DPS stance? No. Because you weren't there now were you?

You only have WAR at 80 so I take it you've played all the tanks and are an expert raider then? Have you even done any kind of Savage from previous xpacs or EX primals from this xpac? I'm no expert but I've raided as WAR and DRK and PLD, mostly WAR/DRK but I have, it's more than you've done.

So before you get mad and call someone out saying that someone's not a good tank on the tanking forums, go look at yourself and think before you post I wasn't mad in my previous post but the last comment where you speak for every good tank first do some actual content.

Eh, don't sass then expect nothing to return.

Also doing content doesn't make you good, if it did I'd see a whole lot more good tanks which I rarely do.

[Awful]

Eh, don't sass then expect nothing to return.

Also doing content doesn't make you good, if it did I'd see a whole lot more good tanks which I rarely do.

And commenting on the forums about tanking when having no experience in said role doesn't make you good, maybe make the effort to even do the easy ShB EX trials and see what tankings all about because i'm interested what is a good tank to you? Because to me a good tank is a tank that can do their primary role while contributing to the group (i.e raid shields, reprisal at the right times, DPS, etc), rotating CDs, great positioning, raid awareness, able to adjust on the fly, you've given me nothing at all in any suggestions other than "I've only seen good tanks lul" that gives me nothing to comment on.

And if you don't want sass make an actual argument instead of saying things that literally make no sense.

[Aluja89]

Geez you're angry.

I really don't care about your definition of a good tank neither should you about mine, it is what is right now the tanks are just far too simple which is what this has been about, the simple truth.

Now stop derailing the topic.

[Awful]

Geez you're angry.

I really don't care about your definition of a good tank neither should you about mine, it is what is right now the tanks are just far too simple which is what this has been about, the simple truth.

Now stop derailing the topic.

Not mad just informing you because you can't come into a thread stating that tanking is boring when you had no prior experience with it and being a good tank does indeed tie into this thread, streamlining the tanks with the tools that you have while being a good tank kinda goes into how people like yourself view tanking do they not?

I find it fun because of what I can do and how I can be better while doing all the things I find tanking enjoyable, that's just your opinion on tanks and I just disagree this is what a forum is for unless i'm mistaken either way you do do, tanking is fun and I enjoy it and I'll just leave it at that it's how I feel as a tank main.

Mitigation and positioning are always fight specific. I can't judge the "core" elements of tanking without having an actual fight to compare them up against (i.e. one in which failing to mitigate causes you to die).

I like that every tank has a short recast mitigation cooldown to work with. This allows for interesting fight design with lots of little things to mitigate while maintaining your dps rotation. It gives TBN truly a chance to shine.

I think a lot of people don't actually know what they want when it comes to tank design. People will happily complain when a job like DRK doesn't follow a fixed strict rotation like GNB or PLD and instead forces you to make decisions based on resource levels on the fly. But in the same breath, they'll complain that everything is too "homogenised". And when you look at their actual performance on the present raid content, it just doesn't match up to their claims.

DRK is soooo easy, which is why you switched to GNB's oh so complex fixed 30 second rotation. But yet you're only capable of reaching one standard deviation below the mean on the job (or haven't even levelled the job to 80). You'd think that everyone posting here is a god tier tank. It just doesn't add up when you match the claims to actual performance.

Just gonna leave this here too probably one of the best posts in here since it backs up what i've been contributing so it's not derailing as I agree 100% with this post.

[Xia_Thas]

The overall changes to the Tank Role I feel definitely make it more accessible to get into it. This was going to happen eventually it was just a matter of when. Not everyone want's 4 hotbars of skills, that being said I can see what they were trying to do with the roles, but ultimately we are just going to have to see how they move forward with it.

Me personally? I'm perfectly fine with the changes. All that really happened is SE cut out the tedium of the job. Instead of hitting 4 buttons you just hit 1-2. Tanks have always been getting hate, ENGAGE DPS MODE, switch back to getting hate when it gets a lil high, repeat. We're doing the same thing except now dps can't steal our aggro so long as you have half a brain.

As far as individual Tank classes go the general consensus I've seen is:

PLD: We got a closer move yay
WAR: Flash is dope, still good, but some changes are eeeeh
DRK: What even are we anymore?!
GNB: Hmm my Swoosh to Bang sfx ratio seems off.