Instant Temp Bans

[Doozer]

I appreciate the comments, if anything I m gonna watch what I say in chat. I tend to be very sarcastic at times. I just like to joke with people but that could mean someone else determining that as harassment and get me a ban just seems wrong to me. Of course completely subjective.

I can be pretty sarcastic and my humor can be a bit dry at times, and I've also vocalized my irritation with other players when they were being legitimately rude, causing problems, etc. and have so far received not even a warning. It may just be because the people I interacted with didn't bother to report me, but I assure you you're not going to get banned for being like "sweet, cool, that was sick" when you wipe or something. Some guy got super mad at me for commenting on wiping on the first boss of Dun Scaith, when I said "it's 2019 and we're still wiping on this" or something, and he was super irritated the entire time even after I stopped talking, but still I received no ban or anything.

It's important to remember that the ones being like "oh you can't say anything anymore" to make you think you can't talk in chat at all are probably guaranteed to say something ban-worthy anyway. Sarcasm is fine. A report does not equal guaranteed punishment. The GMs don't just see a report and ban the person, they look into it and consider the best course of action. If people were banned for just making a legitimately harmless joke, I'd be banned for life right now. It's okay.

SE's policy is basically "You can report anything and we will decide if the person was being an asshole", which they seem to be enforcing just fine. Everyone who I've seen complaining about unfair banns so far turned out to be either lying or complaining about how calling someone a useless retard is not an insult.

A more succinct way of saying the same thing.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Be careful of snitches is all I'll say.

[Mikhaill]

I really don't know what was said or done. Our FC leader said they gave no details just a month long ban for harassment and that's it.

If it's a month long ban, that dude must've done something really bad beyond what you think he did.
Somethings not adding up. Usually these things get extended depending on how many times he was warned/banned.
So it was a repeated offense.
Oh well. No sympathy for people who want to act up to others. He can use this time to better himself I guess lol.

[Ashgarth]

A friend of mine had had a bad day at work, logged in to XIV and got picked on becuase of his materia melds during an omega run.

He snapped and told most of the party to go fk themselves among other things. 60 mins later he was teleported to jail and spoke with a GM, that got him his first and only (so far) strike on his account and nothing remotely close to a 30 day ban.

Which means your FC leader is basically lying. He either did A LOT worse than he says, has been banned before or maybe hasnt actually been banned and just wants to take some time off while pretending it's a ban so people wont bother him for some reason. (I've seen this last one happen)

[CazzT]

Don't GMs summon you to the Jail to go over a report if it's serious enough? I think that shows they look over, at least, some of the reports they receive.

They also contact those who put in the report about it. I have received a few tells asking about some of my reports before to clarify things.

None of the reports I've submitted have I ever been contacted about. And like MozzyStar, I let most things go. It takes a lot for me to report something.

[Doozer]

None of the reports I've submitted have I ever been contacted about.

Usually they'll send a tell within an hour of sending the report depending on the contents and whatnot, but if you log out before they get a change to talk to you they'll just respond to the report with the usual reply about investigating and possibly mention that they attempted to reach you but you were unavailable.

[MrKusakabe]

As other have noted, when you report someone a GM contacts you and asks a few questions. In my case they thanked me for providing a copy-pasted chat log with time stamps. I think the timestamp was the valuable piece so they could check their own logs.

No GM ever contacted me after my reports. So no, it does not have to happen.

[Vidu]

This could have been a crude joke cracked somewhere. Something in bad taste, or whatnot. Lets just say that SE has a super conservative approach to this sort of thing coming from a culture where indency and the like are taken very seriously. Personally I think they should apply NA cultural norms to this sort of thing when applying them to NA, but that's just me. I will say when my new representative takes office they will be getting a letter about the strictness of SE's new rules and see if they can't apply pressure to alleviate some of them at least within the US. Discusion of the reasoning behind wanting to do this is well beyond the scope of this thread. If you're interested in discussing it, feel free to make a new thread.

Why though? Its their game, their rules. Quite frankly this request is a little bit disturbing... you seem to be aware that some jokes/expressions might be considered bad taste by other people, but because they wouldnt be considered that in your "culture" its suddenly okay to say them?
And how would that even work? Are there less strict rules for NA-servers? Or for all people with an NA-service-account? Can I insult NA-people with my EU-account, because its appropriate in their culture? And what kind of culture is that even that considers it alright to be rude or vulgar infront/with/to strangers? Its certainly not one I'd like to come in contact with... It really shouldnt be that difficult for an adult (or a teen for that matter) to behave friendly and politely around people they dont know. You dont need to express your "culture" if it involves obscene or rude language in a DF-party. You can always keep that in private chanels.
Remember: You only get in trouble if someone reports you! And its really not that difficult to keep it together in party-chat. Being american isnt an excuse.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

So if someone got banned for Harassment, seemingly out of the blue. By someone who tends to be friendly and doesn't do anything creepy like stalking people, or using ethnic or homophobic slurs. Then they probably got hit for:

・Obscene/indecent expressions

What does that mean? Your guess is as good as mine.

The fact that it isn't clearly defined leads me to believe this is likely what the cause was for the ban (assuming of course that all information provided thusfar is correct, factual, and complete, and we're going to give the benefit of the doubt because that's what polite people do).

This could have been a crude joke cracked somewhere. Something in bad taste, or whatnot. Lets just say that SE has a super conservative approach to this sort of thing coming from a culture where indency and the like are taken very seriously. Personally I think they should apply NA cultural norms to this sort of thing when applying them to NA, but that's just me. I will say when my new representative takes office they will be getting a letter about the strictness of SE's new rules and see if they can't apply pressure to alleviate some of them at least within the US. Discusion of the reasoning behind wanting to do this is well beyond the scope of this thread. If you're interested in discussing it, feel free to make a new thread.

But in either case, we are where we are now. That means no crude jokes. No innuendo jokes. None of that. Nothing that anyone could find gross, disgusting, lustful, or any of that. Like I've said in another thread. Keep your communications in game to a minimum. Use discord for any sort of friendy communication. SE has made its rules far too strict to communicate in game for most of us. Just take a look at their ruleset to see for yourselves:

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

The part under Offensive Expression is particularly troubling. By those rules you cannot even tell a tank to put on tank stance. "・Expressions that compel a playing style" Cannot tell someone to tank pretty much. But then again a tank not tanking is "Obstruction of Play" So when someone does something annoying. Don't tell them. Report them. Rules are truly setup to be a First one to Report, Wins means of resolving player to player conflict. SE wants to handle our problems for us.

Dude I thought you were serious till that line. Don't give away the troll.

[Kaethra]

Dude I thought you were serious till that line. Don't give away the troll.

I was serious, even that line. But like I said, make another thread if you wish to discuss the reasons why.