People leaving trials/dungeons after leveling should lose that XP.

[Maverick_Haas]

Eh, have you ever thought about practicing your own advise? Because ...

You clearly only think and apply yourself here. Maybe people have their own personal time related reason to drop out early? Why is it only your version of "limited time" is more valuable?

The mentality of people leaving is to do something else in the game. Cases where there are emergencies and such are outliers, and the drop of XP would be the least of their worries.
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30 minute timeout isn't enough when the player has already gotten what they wanted.
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In this case, someone has hit max level.

Of course I've considered that... But if I'm having an emergency, the last thing that's on my mind is the loss of XP. However, I doubt emergency disconnects are so frequent to be considered a common occurrence. Statistically speaking, people are more self-indulgent than dealing with fires.

Besides...

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But obviously it seems I'm in the vast minority of those who would like to see harsher punishments. So it seems I'll need to re-evaluate my stance on it as it's not my hill to die on.

I've already conceded. It's very clear that I'm in the wrong. I'm just having to defend myself from straw manning and being called a creep because I believe people should be less selfish in an MMO.
Beating a beat man isn't a good look.

[Pimmony]

Sorry to say this.

But blame to the dev for making Healer hard to find.
Because when I play Healer, when DPS leave duty. I get another DPS very fast.

I think 30 mins penalty is enough.

[HWalsh]

I was a bard. Got into a level 77 dungeon. I hit level 80 from killing two bosses and all the mobs. Suddenly the special fate by Stilltide pops up, so I abandoned that because I wanted my Frog Mount since the fate can only appear once every few days (Sure 3 instances, but I want my rewards BEFORE the instances are gone). If I would have deleveled because of other limitations SE has purposely put in the game, I would have been furious.

We already dealt with losing EXP and crap like that in Eureka, and it's a terrible thing they brought from FFXI.

I worked with people to get my EXP, but something came up that was much more important, and no one is gonna take that away from me without a fight.



If anyone tried to take this from me, they'll be the one croaking.

On one hand, I understand the desire to get your mount (and it looks cool) but on the other hand it also means you left a party in a lurch.

So I understand your reasoning, but i also understand their frustration.

It feels wonky to say, "Something more important" when it is just a cosmetic mount.

Just my opinion. This would be absolutely terrible if a healer did it, as I, as a tank, have been in a 45 minute queue waiting on a healer before.

[Hatstand]

On one hand, I understand the desire to get your mount (and it looks cool) but on the other hand it also means you left a party in a lurch.

So I understand your reasoning, but i also understand their frustration.

It feels wonky to say, "Something more important" when it is just a cosmetic mount.

Just my opinion. This would be absolutely terrible if a healer did it, as I, as a tank, have been in a 45 minute queue waiting on a healer before.

I agree that it's wrong to leave people in the lurch, and I would never leave a duty except in an emergency, but you have no more right to a healer's time than to anyone else's. If it's alright for a dps to leave, then it has to be alright for a healer to leave, even though it causes more inconvenience. (Or, if it's not alright for a healer to do it, it's not alright for a dps t do it, despite the relative lack of consequence).

As Pimmony said, you can blame the devs for making healers rare. If they'd added a new healer there would probably be more healers queuing to try it out. If they made healing more fun more people might stick to it. Don't put more burden on healers when there are already few enough people who want to do it.

[HWalsh]

I agree that it's wrong to leave people in the lurch, and I would never leave a duty except in an emergency, but you have no more right to a healer's time than to anyone else's. If it's alright for a dps to leave, then it has to be alright for a healer to leave, even though it causes more inconvenience. (Or, if it's not alright for a healer to do it, it's not alright for a dps t do it, despite the relative lack of consequence).

As Pimmony said, you can blame the devs for making healers rare. If they'd added a new healer there would probably be more healers queuing to try it out. If they made healing more fun more people might stick to it. Don't put more burden on healers when there are already few enough people who want to do it.

I didn't mean to imply a healer's time is less valuable.

I just meant realistically DPS is a dime a dozen. If DPS leaves they get replaced instantly. Healers and tanks (like me) can cause serious problems.

Now anyone should leave in an emergency, obviously.

[HWalsh]

As a follow up:

I think SE should never add 2/3 role in an expansion. Should always be tank/healer/dps just to stop these kinds of situations.

[MajinSoul]

Sorry to say this.

But blame to the dev for making Healer hard to find.
Because when I play Healer, when DPS leave duty. I get another DPS very fast.

I think 30 mins penalty is enough.

This. It's only an "issue" because it was the healer leaving. Nobody cares about your dps leaving because they get refilled before you even notice they're gone. Instead of increasing the punishment (read: there is already a time penality), decrease the time it takes for a healer to refill as in make the job more appealing. The 5.0 changes helped a lot with that /s

[Musashidon]

leaving whenever you want isn't wrong you aren't forced to finish a dungeon/trial/raid anything.

losing what you earned is wrong no one should be forced to finish just because you feel so, things come up, if you think its a valid reason or not doesn't matter.

this is just like GREED/NEED that whole arguement is dumb i think your reason for rolling was dumb i deserve it more!!!!!!

Sorry to say this.

i blame the player, they don't get to say you are forced to be here.

[Halivel]

So imagine you queued up for a dungeon. Typically can take a while, because healers are in such need. You run half the dungeon, the healer hits lvl 80 and bails out. They got what they wanted, but now the rest of the group has to stop and wait for another healer to join, which could take just as long if not longer to get another healer.

If a player exits a dungeon or trial without a vote abandon or clear or lockout, they should lose all XP and items gained.

Wait... huh?

So let's imagine the situation that happens not so rare as you can think about it. I (or you) started the dungeon with some randoms from DF. They were so bad that you (or me) spent 15 minutes in tries to reach the first boss. By some miracle you even killed it. And then your patience ended and you decided to leave. You do realize that in this case you will lose earned EXP as well, right? Not to mention that some people (most of them in fact) leave due to irl reasons which you can't control. Punish them as well?

Thanks, but no. We already have good amount of elitists "don't use DF if you can't play properly". With your idea it will become an actual war between players.

[CazzT]

Dunno, they killed those mobs and bosses with you so they earned that loot/xp. They were penalized with the a withdraw penalty.

They'll spend the next hour reading through MSQ and other unlock quests. With that to consider, what penalty are they really getting hit with?