What is the Japanese reaction to healer changes?

[EaMett]

Last time I checked the forums there were a couple of new sch posts going over the same stuff we don’t like. Aka lack of energy drain, fairy being clunky, AoW being expensive, loss of toolkit.

The forum in general has a tendency to only keep posts in consolidated threads so having new threads addressing sch issues seemed like a pretty big deal.
The OF feedback is usually so mild but this time around it looks like a mixed bag so I interpreted that as being telling of a significant displeasure with the situation.

They also often make mention of our dissatisfaction as well (the west). So there’s that.

[Nimloth]

I read through some of the top-rated AST (by likes) and it seems like they largely have the same complaints that we do. Healing potency seems bad, cards are clunky to use, CO and CU are weak with long CDs, Divination's CD is too long. Basically, they seem to be echoing a lot of the criticisms over here. Hopefully, we will see some decent changes to all the healing jobs in 5.05, but AST is in some serious need of some love.

[MOZZYSTAR]

JP is our only hope for some change.
They will most likely listen to the homefront better than the rest of us.
All of us combined will make a push.

I gotta say, if they really do mostly/only consider the remarks of their JP playerbase, it would be nice if they would consider the rest of us considering we're dishing out money just as the JP community is.



Is there a place (like Twitter) that the JP community voice their opinions, or do the forums actually work (for them) in terms of getting their voices heard?

[Billythepancake]

I gotta say, if they really do mostly/only consider the remarks of their JP playerbase, it would be nice if they would consider the rest of us considering we're dishing out money just as the JP community is.

In a fair world, that would be the case, but a LOT of Japanese game devs, or really any Japanese company for that matter, only really cares about their Japanese fan base, though SE, from what I hear, does tend to be better about it than most, hence why I'm interested in what the Japanese fans have to say about all this.

[RyuDragnier]

I read through some of the top-rated AST (by likes) and it seems like they largely have the same complaints that we do. Healing potency seems bad, cards are clunky to use, CO and CU are weak with long CDs, Divination's CD is too long. Basically, they seem to be echoing a lot of the criticisms over here. Hopefully, we will see some decent changes to all the healing jobs in 5.05, but AST is in some serious need of some love.

I'm hoping at the very least we'll get the healing potencies buff for AST with the Savage release. As of right now, it's a real struggle to heal as one.

In a fair world, that would be the case, but a LOT of Japanese game devs, or really any Japanese company for that matter, only really cares about their Japanese fan base, though SE, from what I hear, does tend to be better about it than most, hence why I'm interested in what the Japanese fans have to say about all this.

Plus it's a good indicator of possible incoming changes. If the japanese players have the same complaints, it's a sure bet things will be getting changed.

[EaMett]

In a fair world, that would be the case, but a LOT of Japanese game devs, or really any Japanese company for that matter, only really cares about their Japanese fan base, though SE, from what I hear, does tend to be better about it than most, hence why I'm interested in what the Japanese fans have to say about all this.

To be fair there's a language barrier as well. It's pretty easy for any of the design team members, devs, project/product owners/managers to check up on the JP forums in a few minutes. Understanding our English gibberish forum however. So they probably depend way more on some localization teams to pass on our feedback and that is probably done intermittently, in part only, potentially lost, distorted, and eventually passed on to a select few that either acknowledge or ignore it at it's final destination. In other words, we don't and won't be able to weigh in as much as our JP comrades even if they do listen (and they probably do given the game history)

[AmurT]

Patch is a week away, so I went looking at the JP AST megathread. My Japanese is broken and I had to rely on Google Translate a bit but this comment I think sums up how they feel considering the amount of likes on it.

長文ですが失礼します。

アルファ編で相方に頼まれてしぶしぶ白から占に着替えたものです。
結局紅蓮占星の魅力にハマってしまい、漆黒が来るまでは占メインでした。

私が楽しいと思っていた点は
・カードの使い分けによるランダム性
・バフを延長するという唯一の特技
の二つが主な理由でした。

カードについてはあまりにも多くの方が仰られているので省きますが、
個人的には延長という特技が消えたのが悲しいです。
吉田氏も仰られていた各ジョブにある固有の体験、その一つは効果の延長だったと思う。
自分がかけた複数のhotやカード効果をまとめて延長するのはカタルシスを得られたし、高難易度コンテンツではそれを組み込んで占星術師にしか出来ない体験がちゃんと出来ました。
ただただカードを投げ続けるだけのジョブではなかったはずです。

代わりに占が得たものってなんなんでしょうか？
他ヒーラーがワンポチで発動出来る所を無駄に複雑化させ、効果は強いどころかむしろ劣る回復
ヒールも攻撃も犠牲にして大した見返りもないのにせっせと配らなければならないカード
そして配ったカード分を加算しても劣る火力

今回の調整は、やたらと手間をかけさせる事に主眼が置かれているように感じます。
難しい事をこなせば、他より強い効果を得られる…というのなら納得もいったかもしれません。
今の占星の問題部分は、紅蓮編で不評だった暗黒騎士のダークアーツと同じです。
他のジョブが通常の状態から出来る事をあえて削って、手間をかけさせる行動を追加しただけ。
それはテクニカルな要素でも、固有のジョブ体験でもありません。
ただのストレスです。

断言しますが、そんなものを占星に求めていた人はほとんどいなかった。


漆黒ではメインタンクになりましたが、サブジョブとして真っ先に手を付けたのは占星でした。
タンクでIDに行った際、占星とマッチングした時の他ヒーラーとあまりにも違う回復の薄さ。
薄々予感はしていましたが、まさかこれほどとは思っていませんでした。
今の状態では、ヒーラーを出したいという時に占星を使う気には全くなれません。


紅蓮時代の占星術はなぜか削除されてしまった。
残念というより、何故？としか思えません。
もし担当者に何らかの意図があるのであれば、ジョブコンセプトとして何を目指したのか、何がしたかったのか、何が楽しさなのかをハッキリと説明するべきではないでしょうか。

In short, they talk about how card diversity and extending buffs was one of the high points for them (extending a bunch of regens on the tank having a cathartic feeling). It seems they regarded this aspect of old AST to be a big identity of the job as only AST could extend buffs.

They also draw a parallel to the new cards being basically the same as DRK Dark Arts spam. Paraphrasing "it's a roundabout way to go about doing something other jobs can achieve with one button. Something that requires all this effort should be rewarding, but in reality it's nothing but stress. Nobody was asking for these changes".

They end it by basically saying whoever is working on AST has no idea what they're doing... el oh el

[Ceasaria]

They end it by basically saying whoever is working on AST has no idea what they're doing... el oh el

Yeah, it's like AST was giving to another designer for this expansion, because there is nothing logical at all in those changes (compared to HW --> SB transition).

[KohakuTribal]

I play on Tonberry, the JP server where many English speakers of the region congregate and my Japanese is decent. I think the discontent with healers in ShB is pretty close on both sides of the ocean. AST is wrecked, particularly the cards, SCH lost the healers that liked DPSing but its still very playable, and WHM is sweet. MP is tighter all around and requires more careful management.

I had all three healers at 70 when 5.0 dropped, but AST was my main healer (my FC has a few WHM mains already). But with AST changes I couldn't stomach it. Out of curiosity I have used the Search feature to check the number of online healers many times. WHM usually tops with SCH close behind, and AST is usually half of that. I hate to jump on the bandwagon and just level WHM....but...

[Alrin]

Its good to see that JP community is unhappy too. We may have chance for more significant changes before next expansion.