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  1. #171
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    Also, FF8's plot had Rinoa and Squall's romance at the center of it. I don't understand the "ew... kissing :P" reactions. Especially when we're not asking for kissing. And even if we were, we're asking for it to be optional.
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  2. #172
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    You are asking me if it gets in my way, yes, yes it does it ruins my experience you don't choose that experience for me.

    You can say but this but that but but but it still is my experience and how I see it you don't choose that for me, so if I say it would ruin my experience then it does end of discussion.

    Now do I have a choice if it comes down to it no I don't have a choice cause the developer chose to do it but am I worried about them doing something like this no I am not cause it won't ever happen due to the fact younger audience plays the game also I doubt yoshi would even offer it.

    I get you all want a little romance I would find it weird a suggestive line would even show up in my cutscene offering anything of the sorts even if I have to choose a option to bypass it, its weird.

    Also about the rinoa and tidus and all those other games they were single player games not MMO's but hey you want what you want I'll not tell you that you can't dream and I will continue to say its something I wouldn't want.
    I won't tell you how you experience the game in a previous thread I said everyone is allowed to express what they want and I have no right to tell you what anyone wants out of the game.
    anyways you all have fun peace out.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    You are asking me if it gets in my way, yes, yes it does it ruins my experience you don't choose that experience for me.

    You can say but this but that but but but it still is my experience and how I see it you don't choose that for me, so if I say it would ruin my experience then it does end of discussion.
    If an option being available for people who want something (an option that you personally do not have to take) ruins the experience for you, I really don't know how you manage.

    Do you not go to restaurants because there might be items on the menu you don't want to order? If you don't approve of every single item on that menu, regardless of whether you're ordering it or not, does it ruin the experience for you?

    I sure can't make you not hate videogames and restaurants and anything else where a variety of choices might be available. As you said, it's your experience and I can't choose how you react to it. But it sounds silly, inconvenient, and kind of unnecessarily stressful.

    By the by. In a T-rated game that references rape, self-mutilation, prostitution, genocide, and so forth--if you really think something like the option of a kiss scene would be too extreme and inappropriate I really don't know what to tell you. Kids as young as three watch Disney films that have kisses in them. Terribly racy and inappropriate.

    Thing with Rinoa and Tidus--they're RPGs. This is an MMORPG. Not MMO exclusively. People actually do like the story. You don't have to and are free to skip, but then again if options (not mandates, options) existing that you don't like is so distressing maybe RPGs aren't going to be your speed?

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  4. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    If an option being available for people who want something (an option that you personally do not have to take) ruins the experience for you, I really don't know how you manage.

    Do you not go to restaurants because there might be items on the menu you don't want to order? If you don't approve of every single item on that menu, regardless of whether you're ordering it or not, does it ruin the experience for you?

    I sure can't make you not hate videogames and restaurants and anything else where a variety of choices might be available. As you said, it's your experience and I can't choose how you react to it. But it sounds silly, inconvenient, and kind of unnecessarily miserable.

    By the by. In a T-rated game that references rape, self-mutilation, prostitution, genocide, and so forth--if you really think something like the option of a kiss scene would be too extreme and inappropriate I really don't know what to tell you. Kids as young as three watch Disney films that have kisses in them. Terribly racy and inappropriate.

    Thing with Rinoa and Tidus--they're RPGs. This is an MMORPG. Not MMO exclusively. People actually do like the story. You don't have to and are free to skip, but then again if options (not mandates, options) existing that you don't like is so distressing maybe RPGs aren't going to be your speed?

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    It's not about that its about value's lets say the dad is not very fond of same sex stuff his son plays the game and If Aymeric asks "How about a romantic dinner between you and I what do you say"

    Do you think the father has a right to blow the hell up because I know the answer because none of us have a right to tell him how to raise his son and what he is able to see he has a right to complain he has every right to be upset over it.

    everyone expects people to be the same now days to be accepting but if they don't accept it they are the bad people even though they've done good all their life.

    harsh reality we live in now days.

    Now if I knew that was in the game, I have a son myself I wouldn't want him to read that if he respected Aymeric the way he was and if changed his way of viewing that character after the cutscene his thoughts would totally change wouldn't you agree if he didn't believe in that stuff and if he did I can't do nothing about it even if I didn't believe in it but at his age I still wouldn't want him to read it?

    you can't force people to change their way of thinking.

    I know I'll get flack for this nobody seems to like to say it but its the truth as I said harsh reality we live in today.

    I don't care what anyone does on their own time that's between everyone else it doesn't bug me but when it presents itself and im forced to see a option like that how am I supposed to feel because it would make me think of that character in a new light regardless of what people think of me.

    even though I am usually the nicest person ever.

    I get what you are saying about disney and yes little mermaid and stuff like that with the kissing and the age thing sorry but are you assuming that all parents let their kids watch stuff like that? Because little known fact they don't not till a certain age its why there is a age limit but a kiss is harmless but then again it falls into what I said.
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  5. #175
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    I have no words.
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  6. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    It's not about that its about value's lets say the dad is not very fond of same sex stuff his son plays the game and If Aymeric asks "How about a romantic dinner between you and I what do you say"

    Do you think the father has a right to blow the hell up because I know the answer because none of us have a right to tell him how to raise his son and what he is able to see he has a right to complain he has every right to be upset over it.

    everyone expects people to be the same now days to be accepting but if they don't accept it they are the bad people even though they've done good all their life.

    harsh reality we live in now days.
    First, same sex people do in fact visit each other for dinner. It can be romantic, or it can be platonic. The dad getting riled up is 100% on him and not SE's responsibility. If the son chooses to interpret the scene romantically that is on the son. If the son is actively pursuing same-sex options in the game, that's the choice he made in the game given an array of options available. If the father doesn't like the son doing that, 1) get a different game 2) again, it's on them not SE. And those options are still going to exist in real life regardless, too. Life is full of options. It's why your reaction confuses me so much. I honestly can't imagine going through a day where you had zero choices allowed.

    People can certainly make the choice to be homophobic jerks. That doesn't mean everyone else should stop what they're doing to cater to them. In a world full of options, they don't have to engage what they don't want to while people who do want to go with those things can. The homophobic people do not get to decide how anyone else lives their life however, same way that no one can force them to play a game with homoerotic options if they don't want to. But that game has a right to exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    even though I am usually the nicest person ever.

    I get what you are saying about disney and yes little mermaid and stuff like that with the kissing and the age thing sorry but are you assuming that all parents let their kids watch stuff like that? Because little known fact they don't not till a certain age.
    See, this confuses me too.

    I can't imagine going up to people, online or otherwise, and saying "I'm the nicest person ever". It's not for me to decide. I just do the best I can, and there are absolutely moments I'm not proud of along with moments I've said "screw it" and just gave myself license to be bitchy. That claim makes it difficult for me to take you at your word here.

    This really sounds like it isn't the game for you to be honest. It still has the right to exist, but I really don't know why you're playing it or arguing for what form it should take when it sounds like the last thing you'd want to engage with. If you truly think the Little Mermaid is too extreme for children, personally I think you may be running the risk of over-sheltering and stunting your kids. When everyone else has managed to learn social cues and that there is a basic concept of romance existing they'll have no idea whatsoever. At the end of the day though what you do in your house is at your discretion. Just know there are plenty of people who would disagree, as is their right.
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  7. #177
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    Let me get this straight:
    you don't want the option of a flirty answer for anyone in this game because somewhere on this planet might be a father who barges into his son's room and watches what's happening on the screen at the precise moment his son choses that particular line in a dialogue with a male NPC and could potentially give his son hell for it because he wants to raise his son straight as a board?
    ...that's the weakest argument I've ever heard.

    You realize that the game is full of far more offensive and potentially triggering things, right?
    Reference to suicide, depression, rape, parental abuse, graphic depiction of murder/ character death, torture, robbery and all sorts of brutality etc.
    And let me tell you: there are a lot of people actively playing this game who have personal experience with one or the other. Yet everything is still present in this game. By your logic however all of this needs to be removed from the game.
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    I want an option to tease my trust companions relentlessly. Alisaie is just as much as a fan girl after all, and y'shtola would just tease right back. (if anyone took the MOM dialog option would know.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Let me get this straight:
    you don't want the option of a flirty answer for anyone in this game because somewhere on this planet might be a father who barges into his son's room and watches what's happening on the screen at the precise moment his son choses that particular line in a dialogue with a male NPC and could potentially give his son hell for it because he wants to raise his son straight as a board?
    ...that's the weakest argument I've ever heard.

    You realize that the game is full of far more offensive and potentially triggering things, right?
    Reference to suicide, depression, rape, parental abuse, graphic depiction of murder/ character death, torture, robbery and all sorts of brutality etc.
    And let me tell you: there are a lot of people actively playing this game who have personal experience with one or the other. Yet everything is still present in this game. By your logic however all of this needs to be removed from the game.
    again the son thing is just a example it could be grown ups who have values like that and just see characters differently, then to make a suggestive romance man and man would change a persons perspective of that character which would ruin their experience even if they had to skip.

    and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.
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  10. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    If you truly think the Little Mermaid is too extreme for children, personally I think you may be running the risk of over-sheltering and stunting your kids..
    Worked back then look at the generation now, whats your idea of doing things plopping them infront of a computer or cell phone letting social media raise them yeah hows that working out these days.

    cause I see nothing but bad things happening sorry if I do my job as a parent to keep a keen eye on things sorry but to me that's a great parent.

    anyways I think I am finished with this thread.

    for the record nothing against same sex stuff as long as I don't have to be involved.

    not up to me to choose what anyone does to make them happy in life if they are happy then who am I to get in the middle of that.

    take care bye bye then.
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