Lack of End Game Content

[Klb600]

It's not a good quote though, it's a blissfully ignorant quote. Their "golden goose" provides more than they need to feed it. It's become a perfect model for them and they see absolutely no reason to change it unless called for.

Hate against the idea of 'us vs them' as much as you want, it won't go away. They want something that isn't being included. They don't want the thing that is; it's something that is challenging what they want out of the game. Getting what you want comes at a cost of someone else's wants because not every little thing can be implemented at once, altogether, for every person.

Even were it a large scale team with dedicated groups developing content, content will be staggered, and it won't always be some perfect 50/50 split of what you want and what someone else wants. One side is always going to get more of what they want than the other. And the side that has more people are going to be favored more because there are more to provide to, who in turn earn more revenue.

This all being on top of there was and always has been a specific demographic this game was created and catered for. If you're not under that demographic then you're immediately always going to be at a disadvantage to getting what you want.

Yes take that "golden goose" Quote completely out of context, what he is alluding too is the fact that resource is being allocated to other departments within square. We the players are not getting the return on the investment we made, so why shouldn't people speak up about it? and ok I get it its a business. but even so, Yoshi P himself has stated there is a lot of things that he would like too do with this game but he isn't given the amount of resources from higher up and a lot of his team and funds are reduced and allocated to other projects. Hence why this game is filled with a lot copy pasta content, you say its what works, but for how long will that be? You can only repackage the same content over and over again until things start too ware thin, but only the test of time will tell.

Also no one is asking for immediate change, nor are we asking for the games foundation to be pulled root and stem, and built from the ground. Topics like this has been a thing for many years on this forum and others like reddit, gamefaqs. discussing new ideas and implementation within the community is a big part of an MMO.


The people here on the other side straight up boast about having more content then they know what too even do with. When people brag about how they have more content then their monthly sub fee can keep up with, how is it insane or unrealistic to say "ok they seem set, is it possible to have more resource allocated to another sector?"

Yes this is a casual game,no one is demanding FFXIV become FFXI. You can have divergent content whilst still prevent detraction from the core audience.

[Lewtskie]

Yes take that "golden goose" Quote completely out of context, what he is alluding too is the fact that resource is being allocated to other departments within square. We the players are not getting the return on the investment we made, so why shouldn't people speak up about it? and ok I get it its a business. but even so, Yoshi P himself has stated there is a lot of things that he would like too do with this game but he isn't given the amount of resources from higher up and a lot of his team and funds are reduced and allocated to other projects. Hence why this game is filled with a lot copy pasta content, you say its what works, but for how long will that be? You can only repackage the same content over and over again until things start too ware thin, but only the test of time will tell.

I replied to the comment to the extent of the context you gave. I'm not blind, I read what he said and I know that their funding goes into other projects at SE. And I gave you the reason why they won't funnel more money back into the game: because it does indeed work. People been speaking up about it for years, it's nothing new, and they'll keep speaking up about it. Yoshi will also keep pushing to get more for the game, this won't change. The investment into XIV has been at an all-time high in regard to Shadowbringers in terms of guest development, media advertising and promotion. SE can and will invest more when they see it necessary, but that's always going to be at odds with us because we're always gonna want more than what they care to offer. Once come the time when this game isn't funneling back as much as it has been and been worn down, SE will likely scrap it and move to the next thing. This has been what XIV has been for them since ARR. ARR itself was just a chance at breaking even at a destructive loss that was 1.0, but just by chance proved more successful than they thought, but it's not going to be their flagship. Even XI, as successful as it was, was never a flagship. Some decent advertisement and support, sure, but it was never part of their "main" line-up.

Also no one is asking for immediate change, nor are we asking for the games foundation to be pulled root and stem, and built from the ground. Topics like this has been a thing for many years on this forum and others like reddit, gamefaqs. discussing new ideas and implementation within the community is a big part of an MMO.

I don't know where this came from. I never insinuated immediate change and the fact people been going at this for years is obvious, so I don't know what sort of response you want from this.

The people here on the other side straight up boast about having more content then they know what too even do with. When people brag about how they have more content then their monthly sub fee can keep up with, how is it insane or unrealistic to say "ok they seem set, is it possible to have more resource allocated to another sector?"

That sounds like an exaggeration; on their part, not yours. If anyone legitimately says they have too much content to do, then they came in late and haven't been playing up to date. This is for any side of the -core spectrum. And this is confidently saying this knowing this game is catered to people with limited time to play each day/week. And anyone coming in late is expected to have a large backlog. Current content though, not a chance.

Yes this is a casual game,no one is demanding FFXIV become FFXI. You can have divergent content whilst still prevent detraction from the core audience.

Again, didn't suggest it was or were or needs to be. you CAN have divergent content, yes, buuuut like I said, it's not going to be at an even split and one form of content is going to get more support each patch then another. Someone, somewhere is always going to be dissatisfied with a patch; whether the same person or a different one, because the skew of content will always be different.

[Vercinotrix]

Yes take that "golden goose" Quote completely out of context, what he is alluding too is the fact that resource is being allocated to other departments within square. We the players are not getting the return on the investment we made, so why shouldn't people speak up about it? and ok I get it its a business. but even so, Yoshi P himself has stated there is a lot of things that he would like too do with this game but he isn't given the amount of resources from higher up and a lot of his team and funds are reduced and allocated to other projects.

Honestly, putting aside the "casual vs hardcore" and the rest of this thread for a moment, everyone who plays and loves XIV should be upset at this. Not to say I don't want to play other games, but it's actually infuriating this game could have a lot more to it but just doesn't thanks to the other departments leeching. inb4 "but its not yoshi's money its squares money!!! AND ITS OKAY BECAUSE ITS GOING TO 7 REMASTER!!!! 7 IS BEST!!!"

Yeah, nah. Don't get me wrong, I love FFXIV how it currently is. But just the fact we could have more overall content for every group/demographic and don't because FFXIV is just being given the bare minimum to function instead of a decent amount to grow for its entire player base is downright disrespectful imo. I can almost guarantee there'd be a lot bigger fuss from this community if the game siphoning from XIV was an XIII remaster instead. Maybe without VII's legacy shrouding the problems with it, we'd be able to make enough noise to change things.

[Zabuza]

Been here since launch, still haven't run out of things to do.

There hasn't been time where I log in and have nothing to do.

Stop complaining there is no content.

There are tons of different things, some of them I'm not interested (maybe), some other I like them a lot. This game gives you a ton of different options and I never saw so much different things you can do in a single mmo. And if I still here, proof I didn't ran out of options yet.

In fact there is still too much to do in XIV

I honestly feel like there's too much to do in this game... my achievement list is pretty sad.

I am never bored. Still plenty of stuff to do and the team delivers content updates on a fairly frequent schedule. It all works out in my opinion

This thread made me get back decorating. Because once you get a house, you never run out of things to do.

As someone who works and generally only plays for a few hours in a day, there's more to do than I have time for.

At this point, I honestly have more than enough content to do and I don't even plan on doing savage (would like to, but that's a whole rant instead of a quick response).

I still have classes to level, side quests to do, lore to enjoy. I dunno about other people but there is still a ton to do, so I dont understand the "There's not enough content.".

The casuals, myself included, make our own challenges, and struggle to understand why anyone could possible get bored.

I am here since 2016 and I can't find time where adn what to do, there is so much, as other people said before me, I am never bored in Eorzea.

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.

You know what FFXIV should avoid ? Being another WoW clone.

Another problem by expecting even more end-game outside of the fact the staff don't have the ressources or would have to drain from other things people expect is who will do it. How much ressources it will cost for how many player to actualy bother with it. Keep in mind it have to worth it.


And please, don't be childish, higher up detainging the key for more budget couldn't give less of a sh*t of what happen on the forum, they want number to roll up and use as much money as they can on other project that will bring far more money than make a little portion of a MMO playerbase occupied two more weeks for close to no yield.

I'd be glad we had even more content, but I'd rather not sacrifice even more of what I have fun with for even more things I won't even bother touch. Gosh, we have already less and less new dungeon every patch for the sake of "hard" trash niche grind.

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

[Klb600]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders on the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.



How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

This is a work of Art, well put.

Careful, they might think you're being unreasonable while they brag about the plethora of content they have to do. Obviously you have to like what they do, and if you don't you need to leave and go back to WoW where you came from! We don't need you here!

The "friendly and understanding" FFXIV community in a nutshell. They brag about how nice of a community they are but that is only if you subscribe to their belief. Deviate from any view of the game that they share and be prepared to be crucified.

[Forever_Learning]

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows.

I heard the same argument during ARR, when it launched at the end of MoP.

Since then, the playerbase of WoW has dwindled while FF14 continues to steadily increase bit by bit. It's currently discussed far more than say GW2, SWTOR, or Wildstar (RIP).

Maybe, just maybe, part of the success of FF14 is being it's own type of MMO. It doesn't try to be something for everyone, but rather, it does cater a bit more to the so-called casual audience.

and here's the kicker - maybe that's ok.

People who are happy with the game, a population that steadily keep increasing, keeps repeating the same mantra: "Im ok, if you aren't, there are other games" and they aren"t interested in changing the structure of the game cause it works for them.

Games with a different aesthetic (EOS) or a different gear structure (WoW) can exist to cater to different audiences, and that's ok. There doesn't need to be ONE MMO that caters to everyone on the planet that wants to play an MMO.

Like, you don't need to go to Disney and tell them their park would sell more tickets if their was more violence and roller coasters. They are fine, and maybe another park would suit your taste better?

Some people are like that girl who demanded french fries at Taco Bell.

[testname]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.



How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

Casual? I got all I wanted from Extrime and I am ready for savage thing, so Cheers mate, if that is casual to you so be it

[Vercinotrix]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.

Why is it every single time I get quoted in this thread it's the same accusation?

I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself, especially since literally the post before this I say yet again every community of FFXIV deserves more content and the devs need more of a budget and manpower to make it happen.

It's getting to the point where "Go play something else" is actually becoming the easier thing to say. Do I need to litter my posts with "IMO, in my opinion, personally" like I have to do on reddit so people don't get offended?

This thread literally spawned out of a twitch streamer/youtuber saying he isn't satisfied with the amount of end-game content (when he meant specficially raid content) and then asks his viewers if they are. People saying they're satisfied with the content and suggesting you can do something else between content drops isn't a personal attack, yet it seems most of the "hardcore" crowd that's showing up to this thread is getting offended by other people being satisfied and happy.

Yeah, sure, some people don't want more savage content because they won't do it for a myriad of reasons. Some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them. On the flipside when others have come up with a way to entertain themselves and suggest it for you "hardcore" players to do you snap back with "THAT'S NOT ENDGAME CONTENT". People on both sides are twisting into something it hasn't been since it started on twitch. Even the guy who spawned it all twisted it immediately into something it's not because what end-game content is completely subjective from person to person as we can see throughout the entire thread.

Now that people have been yelling and arguing for 50+ pages we've gotten to the point that people are just turning spiteful on one another.

[Zabuza]

Why is it every single time I get quoted in this thread it's the same accusation?

I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself, especially since literally the post before this I say yet again every community of FFXIV deserves more content and the devs need more of a budget and manpower to make it happen.

It's getting to the point where "Go play something else" is actually becoming the easier thing to say. Do I need to litter my posts with "IMO, in my opinion, personally" like I have to do on reddit so people don't get offended?

This thread literally spawned out of a twitch streamer/youtuber saying he isn't satisfied with the amount of end-game content (when he meant specficially raid content) and then asks his viewers if they are. People saying they're satisfied with the content and suggesting you can do something else between content drops isn't a personal attack, yet it seems most of the "hardcore" crowd that's showing up to this thread is getting offended by other people being satisfied and happy.

Yeah, sure, some people don't want more savage content because they won't do it for a myriad of reasons. Some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them. On the flipside when others have come up with a way to entertain themselves and suggest it for you "hardcore" players to do you snap back with "THAT'S NOT ENDGAME CONTENT". People on both sides are twisting into something it hasn't been since it started on twitch. Even the guy who spawned it all twisted it immediately into something it's not because what end-game content is completely subjective from person to person as we can see throughout the entire thread.

Now that people have been yelling and arguing for 50+ pages we've gotten to the point that people are just turning spiteful on one another.

I am glad the casuals are satisfied and happy. Why can't casuals want the raid crowd to be happy? You yourself just said 'some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them.' If they don't enjoy them, then they don't have to do them? That means they also have no reason to interfere with people who do want there to be more raid bosses. If I am cool with casuals being happy, why can't they support raiders being happy? You don't see me telling SE not to create glamour and mini-game stuff just because I don't enjoy it. I could care less. I just won't do it because I don't want to. Just like they don't have to touch raids if they don't want to.

It's nice that you have suggested alternate ways for us to try to have fun with what exists, but we have stated that challenging content is what we enjoy. Glamour, housing, achievements, collectables, this stuff is not challenging nor fun for me. I guess that's what really gets me, because not wanting content created just because it's not something you would do, even when you already have your own stuff to do, is pretty selfish to me, and does it make it seem like some people want to spite raiders(I'm speaking in general not targeting this at you directly.)