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  1. #91
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    Billythepancake's Avatar
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    It’s no more or less boring in my opinion, does the exact same as Energy Drain but a bit more interesting than just ‘press for damage’. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a direct damage increase either, there are tons of interesting kinds of utility they could add to an Aetherflow dump besides direct damage

    As I said MP issues are not something I’ve come across personally but I’m aware others have said differently (though it was largely mitigated by the Art of War changes)
    The reason people want a DPS aetherflow dump over a buff dump is because a DPS dump comes off as risk vs reward. Do I risk that extra damage but not have a heal later? the problem with the buff is that it doesn't have the same impact, especially if it were as spammable as a DPS option, because then it couldn't have enough of an impact to really be more than a "may as well, got nothing else to do with it I guess" (not to say ED never did fall under that, but it was much easier to be greedy and be punished for it than a buff would) If we can't have ED back, then I would suggest giving SCH 1 or 2 dots back (which I still want back regardless of ED or not) and then giving us something along the lines of fester. Make the DPS aetherflow more interactive, and you're rewarded for having your dots up.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

  2. #92
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    YanderePrincess's Avatar
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    Svana Fyth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    You suggest right here that you would use 10 indoms in 5 seconds to get 4200 potency of aoe healing. I told you this is impossible, but since you don't think so, I'm telling you that you can do something easier (9 lustrates in 5 seconds) to prove me wrong. It really isn't that hard to understand, but you can play dumb all you want and pretend you don't get it.
    or, instead of being dickish about it, you could just point out to Nethereal that if they removed the 30s cooldown on Indom, they'd most likely still put a 1s cooldown on it like Lustrate and other similar abilities have. This would be more effective at conveying the point you're trying to make and not make you sound like a jerk.
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  3. #93
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    Lagomorph's Avatar
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    Cruise Chaser
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    Scholar Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by YanderePrincess View Post
    or, instead of being dickish about it, you could just point out to Nethereal that if they removed the 30s cooldown on Indom, they'd most likely still put a 1s cooldown on it like Lustrate and other similar abilities have. This would be more effective at conveying the point you're trying to make and not make you sound like a jerk.
    Sure I could have and probably should have, but if you look at his other posts throughout this topic it can bee seen that this guy doesn't listen to reason anyways. I find it highly unlikely that even had I said that he would get it. He's much more in it to throw around insults than to actually discuss things, from what I've seen.
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  4. #94
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    Blythe Cerwyn
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    Ninja Lv 70
    ^ Yeah. They've been mostly unreasonable and prone to throwing out insults instead of actually discussing things in a level-headed fashion. It's appalling how people will take things personally when the discussion was, in fact, only about how SCH needs improvement.
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  5. #95
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silphax View Post
    I think scholar's in an alright place right now as far as healing, but lacking a proper means of dumping aetherflow outside of overhealing is a bit obnoxious to play. I'd honestly prefer if they added Energy Drain back into SCH's toolkit
    The fix that I want to see is harder hitting content so we need our stacks.

    Probably won't be an issue in savage but in dungeons I regularly just overwrite my stacks with the next AF. *shrug* Feels weird, I agree but it's not the fault of the class design if content hits like wet noodles with self esteem issues.
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  6. #96
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    Gestahl Beoulve
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    The fix that I want to see is harder hitting content so we need our stacks.

    Probably won't be an issue in savage but in dungeons I regularly just overwrite my stacks with the next AF. *shrug* Feels weird, I agree but it's not the fault of the class design if content hits like wet noodles with self esteem issues.
    I don't understand the logic that you type of people are using to justify healing more by increasing incoming damage numbers or decreasing healing potency. I'm fairly certain that the reasoning for gutting SCH and AST functionality kit was to cater to the special needs of a fairly small player base who ALREADY can't seem to grasp the concept of healing your party while DPSing with more than a 2-button kit, if at all.
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    Last edited by Gestahl-Beoulve; 07-21-2019 at 06:57 PM.

  7. #97
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    Jenny Davar
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    Weaver Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    The fix that I want to see is harder hitting content so we need our stacks.

    Probably won't be an issue in savage but in dungeons I regularly just overwrite my stacks with the next AF. *shrug* Feels weird, I agree but it's not the fault of the class design if content hits like wet noodles with self esteem issues.
    This solution will never be sustainable. If the fight is doable with you healing 100% of the time with lesser gear and inexperienced players, you’ll end up with spare time when people gear up and get practiced. If it requires you to heal 100% of the time when everyone is geared up and practiced it’ll be impossible before that. I’d be fine with more damage incoming, but we need a good non-healing time sink, too.
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  8. #98
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    Galbsadi Nailo
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    You suggest right here that you would use 10 indoms in 5 seconds to get 4200 potency of aoe healing. I told you this is impossible, but since you don't think so, I'm telling you that you can do something easier (9 lustrates in 5 seconds) to prove me wrong. It really isn't that hard to understand, but you can play dumb all you want and pretend you don't get it.



    I take it you actually tried and realized that you can't do it, huh. This is your admission that you finally recognized that the absurd claims you were making are actually impossible. When you have nothing relevant or factual left to say, all you resort to are personal insults, as you've shown throughout this thread. Bye, lol
    I'm pretty sure he's a troll at this point. Several of us pointed out why what he was saying was wrong, and he comes back with "you can't read" as his argument. Report, block, and move on, IMO.
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  9. #99
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    Svana Fyth
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    Sure I could have and probably should have, but if you look at his other posts throughout this topic it can bee seen that this guy doesn't listen to reason anyways. I find it highly unlikely that even had I said that he would get it. He's much more in it to throw around insults than to actually discuss things, from what I've seen.
    Maybe, but it would've at least been more useful info for other people reading the thread.
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